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View Poll Results: Should the nativity in Berkley stay up?
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Old November 6th, 2007, 01:44 PM   #1
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Default Berkley, MI's nativity voted on today!

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catching some national press.

Do YOU think the city of Berkley should be able to keep their nativity scene displayed?
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Old November 6th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #2
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only 5 votes, btt
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Old November 6th, 2007, 05:22 PM   #3
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Should be able to? Yes.

Should other things be allowed to be displayed, also? Yes.

Is non-Christian Berkely just lazy, bitter about not having their shit on display, and have nothing better to do? Yes.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 05:29 PM   #4
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I just don't see why the ACLU has to put the brakes on what is this country's heritage.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 05:29 PM   #5
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I know for a fact that a homo parade could march through town and not get shutdown, why shouldn't the christians have the chance to display the nativity? If muslims have a right to wear turbans, gays have a right to wear rainbow ribbons, Christians should be able to display their religous items.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 05:51 PM   #6
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I just don't see why the ACLU has to put the brakes on what is this country's heritage.
religious freedom and tolerance?
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Old November 6th, 2007, 05:55 PM   #7
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How the hell is stopping a nativity from being displayed tolerance?
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Old November 6th, 2007, 06:11 PM   #8
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I just don't see why the ACLU has to put the brakes on what is this country's heritage.
Being a Berkley resident and consider myself a good catholic boy! I'm not sure where I stand on this issue. Should it be displayed on state property or church property, I don't know. Actually, where they want to move it to is out in front of a church on 12 mile. Where it sits now in front of city hall its tucked back and hard to see from Coolidge. At least at the church it'll see more visibilty. I know this country was founded "Under God" but if we let the Christians have a Nativity scene at city hall then maybe my Jewish neighbor should be able to see a Menorrah when he goes to pay his water bill.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 06:27 PM   #9
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You listen to 103.5, Dave. You sound like Bob Dutko 5 posts above me.
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How the hell is stopping a nativity from being displayed tolerance?
i'm pretty sure that dave's angle is that tired ol' "America was founded on Christian values..blah blah blah" rhetoric, so it should display christian stuff...but it's really not. America was founded on ideas of religious tolerance but also ideas of the separation of church and state. You can't have government property showing favoritism towards a certain religion. In this day and age, it's just stupid to think that you should. Why on earth wouldn't you want a nativity scene at a church, rather than government property. If you have that on the government property, you need to reserve a spot for something similar for every other religion, and that is pointless, so move it to the church and everybody's happy.
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i'm pretty sure that dave's angle is that tired ol' "America was founded on Christian values..blah blah blah" rhetoric, so it should display christian stuff...but it's really not. America was founded on ideas of religious tolerance but also ideas of the separation of church and state. You can't have government property showing favoritism towards a certain religion. In this day and age, it's just stupid to think that you should. Why on earth wouldn't you want a nativity scene at a church, rather than government property. If you have that on the government property, you need to reserve a spot for something similar for every other religion, and that is pointless, so move it to the church and everybody's happy.
If they move it to the church thats segregation. I say if they want, just put out a menorah for the jews, a blank poster with God printed on it for the atheists, and a little boy with a tnt jacket for the muslims. then would it be fair?
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I'm not religus at all but if people want to display something then they should be able to display it. I swear people just bitch for no reason.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 07:03 PM   #13
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i'm pretty sure that dave's angle is that tired ol' "America was founded on Christian values..blah blah blah" rhetoric, so it should display christian stuff...but it's really not. America was founded on ideas of religious tolerance but also ideas of the separation of church and state. You can't have government property showing favoritism towards a certain religion. In this day and age, it's just stupid to think that you should. Why on earth wouldn't you want a nativity scene at a church, rather than government property. If you have that on the government property, you need to reserve a spot for something similar for every other religion, and that is pointless, so move it to the church and everybody's happy.
Actually, Dave's angle on this country being based on Christian heritage is completely legitimate.

The first document passed on this land, by the Europeans, called the Mayflower Compact begins with this:
"In the name of God, Amen." And it continues, ". . . Having undertaken for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith . . . a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia . . ."

And you want to say that this country being based on Christian heritage is illegitimate? Okay.
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Actually, Dave's angle on this country being based on Christian heritage is completely legitimate.

The first document passed on this land, by the Europeans, called the Mayflower Compact begins with this:
"In the name of God, Amen." And it continues, ". . . Having undertaken for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith . . . a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia . . ."

And you want to say that this country being based on Christian heritage is illegitimate? Okay.
ok, the mayflower people were pilgrims, not the founding fathers of this country...like for example, Thomas Paine

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ok, the mayflower people were pilgrims, not the founding fathers of this country...like for example, Thomas Paine

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thank you for seeing things the right way.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 07:26 PM   #17
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not voting.. and im not reading the article..

the community of berkley should vote on the nativity if the majority of the people there are christian based and want the nativity then they should have it.. if they are not christian based .. say it is a hindu community then they will obviously win vote to not have the nativity.. if they dont vote then they dont have a say and then it shouldnt matter if they have a nativity or not. if the small minority of the community does not like the nativity .. move to another city that better supports your beliefs or put up your own damn decorations. honestly this whiny rights shit is retarded..
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Old November 6th, 2007, 11:56 PM   #18
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it lost. and I agree with that. Unless your going to allow every religion represented in the city to display their symbols on thier holidays none should be able to.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 12:03 AM   #19
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WTF?????

Do you think the people who are saying no to this would be willing to give up there paid holidays (x-mas) and work insted? You really want to put an end to such displays then I think thay need to look at the whole thing. I don,t even think this should be a issue but some people are were bitter with life and stupid as well.

I get very sick of this ever year around x-mas with all these people who make a big deal out of this stuff, I bet that at there house on christmas day there is a shit load of stuff under the tree.
NO god ok. then stop having a birth day party for him ever year.

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Old November 7th, 2007, 06:33 AM   #20
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I voted for it. Never bothered me.
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