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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:17 PM   #81
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CC.........just wondering, and I'm not trying to argue, but how many of those verses were taken out of the New Testament?
........and the one that is (taken out of Romans) is only partially there........and the part that is written, is just plain Yuckyyyyyy!!!!!! Well that is, unless you are Skooter.
100% out of the old testament. If you look above in Kerwin's post you will see him saying that he has never said the old testament isn't worthy, and it is fair game, so that is when I compiled the verses for him, which of course he had to shy away from

Don't get me wrong, I FULLY respect anybodys religious views, and I have no problem with any religion as long as its not part of our government.

I do however like to talk politics and religion with people, and the best way to receive an education on something is to play devils advocate (no pun intended).
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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:20 PM   #82
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Actually, I have made myself VERY clear that I will address any verses you wish, but I will not do it inside this thread, which you seem to be a fan of. I said this ahead of time, you ignored it, that was your choice.

You would rather take a cheap shot at me than to get an answer, which I am not surprized by. That seems to be your modus operandi.
nice vocabulary

I'm actually very interested in learning about each of the versus I posted, and your opinions on the way God destroyed the innocent. I would not have brought this up had it not been for you bringing up Allah talking about killing other religions, where truth be told the bible tells the story of god killing innocent people all the time.

I do have alittle knowledge of the bible ;)
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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:21 PM   #83
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100% out of the old testament. If you look above in Kerwin's post you will see him saying that he has never said the old testament isn't worthy, and it is fair game, so that is when I compiled the verses for him, which of course he had to shy away from

Don't get me wrong, I FULLY respect anybodys religious views, and I have no problem with any religion as long as its not part of our government.

I do however like to talk politics and religion with people, and the best way to receive an education on something is to play devils advocate (no pun intended).
I know, I was just yankin your chain a little,................but food for thought, I didn't see any of the verses posted that had all of the verses with them, It was kind of like how the local news describes a car accident.:tonka: :tonka:

What Website are you getting those from? I gotta read this................its almost humorous in the way it is stated.

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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:22 PM   #84
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Don't get me wrong, I FULLY respect anybodys religious views, and I have no problem with any religion as long as its not part of our government.
Don't lie to yourself or anyone else here. You have zero respect.

You have been a major jerk. I'm not holding any grudges, but I surely don't see you as someone I wish to converse with. It has NOTHING to do with the content either, because I am more than willing to discuss tough matters, which is more than evident.
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1. I'm actually very interested in learning about each of the versus I posted, and your opinions

2. I do have alittle knowledge...
1. No, you just wanted to cheap shot me and derail this thread.

2. Nice vocab
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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:57 PM   #86
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Don't lie to yourself or anyone else here. You have zero respect.

You have been a major jerk. I'm not holding any grudges, but I surely don't see you as someone I wish to converse with. It has NOTHING to do with the content either, because I am more than willing to discuss tough matters, which is more than evident.

Of course you do not want to converse with someone who brings reason, science, and actual events, all combined to form a conclusion on the subject matter!

And I have respect, I don't waste my time with people I don't respect.
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Loose translation understood. Later.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 02:19 PM   #88
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i think you're mixing up christian beliefs with a general human moral code.

p.s. why was the term "god" introduced on currency, etc. in the 1950's rather than the late 18th century?
"GOD"was introduced on currency in the 1950's because of president Eisenhower's theory that communism is godless therefore to ensure a democracy one must have "GOD"
It was also at that time "Under God" was added to the Pledge of allegence.
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100% out of the old testament. If you look above in Kerwin's post you will see him saying that he has never said the old testament isn't worthy, and it is fair game, so that is when I compiled the verses for him, which of course he had to shy away from
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2 Corinthians 5:
17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

1 Corinthians 5:
7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

Romans 7:
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
The rules of the old testament applied to an "unsaved Earth" if you will. There was a new world order with the Coming of Christ.

I must have missed where it had a similar correlation when I read the qur'an (that whole right-to-left thing throws me off sometimes).







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Of course you do not want to converse with someone who brings reason, science, and actual events, all combined to form a conclusion on the subject matter!

WOAH! You're like a swiss army dood!
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The rules of the old testament applied to an "unsaved Earth" if you will. There was a new world order with the Coming of Christ.
Ok, so before the earth was saved, god was a super villan, and after jesus died, god started being nice?

Does this sum it up? I'm so confused now.
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"GOD"was introduced on currency in the 1950's because of president Eisenhower's theory that communism is godless therefore to ensure a democracy one must have "GOD"
It was also at that time "Under God" was added to the Pledge of allegence.
exactly if the founding fathers were so freaky about jesus, wouldn't they have put stuff like that on and in things in the first place?
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"GOD"was introduced on currency in the 1950's because of president Eisenhower's theory that communism is godless therefore to ensure a democracy one must have "GOD"
It was also at that time "Under God" was added to the Pledge of allegence.
exactly if the founding fathers were so freaky about jesus, wouldn't they have put stuff like that on and in things in the first place?
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I suppose it becomes necessary to put things in print after they fade from a foundational understanding. I don't have a tattoo on my forehead that says "I love my wife", but its absense does not communicate its untruthfulness.
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What biography did you read? Something that was written last year off some fourth hand info? I also have a biography on Abe, and it was written in the 1860's. If you care to borrow it, you will be very surprised on how history changes as the information is passed down.


Actually, I just found it online:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text...a;idno=ABX9856

The UofM online library is kick ass, but sooooooooooooo slow
Alright, so you have one source saying that he wasn't, I have 5 that say he was. BTW I did a thesis paper on him for a writing class in college several years ago and thats where I got some of these references. It is apparent in all writings that Abraham Lincoln gave his life to Christ later in life (in the beginning of the civil war), so he wasn't a Christian at the beginning of his life which is where many of your quotes came from. However, when he was most effective as a president and for what he was most remembered for are his later actions during and after the civil war at which point he was a Christian.

1. Abraham Lincoln, Charles Carleton Coffin (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1893).

2. Lincoln: A Novel by Gore Vidal (Vintage). This is perhaps one of the most thurough biographies on Lincoln out there.

3. Abraham Lincoln the Christian, Eaton & Mains/ Jennings & Graham (1913)

4. The spiritual Abraham Lincoln, V. Neil Wyrick (Magnus Press)

5. Abraham Lincoln: The Man and His Faith, G. Frederick Owen (Tyndale House Publishers)


Here are a couple Abe Lincoln quotes:

"In regards to this great Book (the Bible), I have but to say it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Saviour gave to the world was communicated through this Book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are found portrayed in it." -- Abraham Lincoln

"I believe I am an humble servant in the hands of our Heavenly Father;
I desire that all my words and acts may be according to His will." -- Abraham Lincoln

“I believe it [the 2nd Inaugural] is not immediately popular. Men are not flattered by being shown that there has been a difference of purpose between the Almighty and them. To deny it, however, in this case, is to deny that there is a God governing the world.” — Abraham Lincoln, letter, March 15, 1865

And here is his "proclamation of thanksgiving" which he used to found the thanksgiving holiday (i know its on a christian site, but it's his direct speech):
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wa...n-tgiving.html He mentions God as the deliverer of America many times here.

These don't sound like the quotes of a man who doesn't believe in or follow God. And trust me, there are a hundred more quotes from him like this.
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exactly if the founding fathers were so freaky about jesus, wouldn't they have put stuff like that on and in things in the first place?
It was well understood from the beginning that this is a Christian Nation but the rise in popularity of Darwinism (about 1860) gave a foundation for humanism and communism and in the height of the cold war it was deemed necessary to distinguish us from them. Before 1950 everyone knew it, therefore there was no need to print it.
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87'YJ, thanks for taking the time to reasearch, you nailed it.
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exactly if the founding fathers were so freaky about jesus, wouldn't they have put stuff like that on and in things in the first place?
You're a teacher, right? What subject and which grade do you teach?

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You're a teacher, right? What subject and which grade do you teach?
High school History. I surely don't teach that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation.
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High school History. I surely don't teach that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation.
How much research do you do?
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