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Old November 5th, 2007, 09:16 AM   #1
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Don't know how true this is but recieved it in a e-mail today. Is it true?
Interesting Information for People Who Live In Michigan

1. Gov Granholm is the 3rd highest paid Gov in the country at $177,000 in salary. This does not count her $60,000 expense account. Only the Gov of New York and Calf make more than her!
2. Gov Granholm's husband has 3 assistants paid by the sate. The highest paid assistant makes $117,000 a year.
3. Our state Congressmen and Senators are the 2nd highest paid at $79,650 in salary. This does not count their $20,000 expense account. Only California legistalatures make more.
4. Our teachers are the 3rd highest paid teachers in the country
5. Our cigarette tax is the 4th highest in the country
6. Our Corporate Income Tax rate is the 7th highest.
Funny how we don't have enough money to pay our bills and the only answer is for us to pay more in taxes, when our public servants are getting fat on our sweat!

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Old November 5th, 2007, 09:23 AM   #2
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Old November 5th, 2007, 09:26 AM   #3
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Old November 5th, 2007, 09:29 AM   #4
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Cant speak for the teachers, but the rest is true from everything I have read.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 09:48 AM   #5
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all the state shut down stuff was just a dog and pony show to make us say..

"oh, i guess we just have to pay more taxes. its the only way"

ahhhhh it make's me mad why can't people just do there job and not wait till the last min'
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Old November 5th, 2007, 10:31 AM   #6
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I sent off a letter to my state representative for the hel7 of it......
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Old November 5th, 2007, 11:36 AM   #7
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How would the people make a stand and cut these peoples wages. Do we actually have any control over this? I know vote, wich I do. But they all lie. Is there anything we can do about this.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 11:43 AM   #8
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http://house.michigan.gov/find_a_rep.asp

Fill your representatives "inbox"? and vote...?
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Old November 5th, 2007, 12:08 PM   #9
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wow thats something. I'd like to know where they got these statistics
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Old November 5th, 2007, 12:21 PM   #10
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4. Our teachers are the 3rd highest paid teachers in the country
I call BULL$HIT

Our teachers aren't paid shit!!!! As a matter of fact, it's the same in California. You can look on line to see the pay scales in the differant districts. Maybe after 15-20 years they start making money, but how do they get anyone new to start on 18k a year.

I can see it now
"Yeah mom, I'm never leaving the house when I grow up. In class today, our teacher, Ms. Smith, she still lives with her parents. "

Pick a teachers salary anywhere- they can either afford a car payment (OR) rent. These are the people teaching our future. It's very dissappointing.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 12:24 PM   #11
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i have heard that teachers in Michigan do get paid very well compared to other states
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Old November 5th, 2007, 02:43 PM   #12
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There is legislation in the works to cut the salaries of the state representatives and senators. also change their benefits packages.

As far as teachers salaries, they may or may not get "paid" well, but I know their benefits packages are ridiculous when compared to private sector. The retirement packages and insurance and health care costs are driving up the costs of schools, meaning less money goes to the students. They should be contributing their own money to a 401k, or similar program, and paying more for co-pays.

Just like the legislators should be contributing more too. State employees and legislative staff, while they do get pretty good benefit coverage, only get it as long as they are employed-not once they leave service (unlike teachers and legislators). They also have to contribute to their own 401k and set aside money each month for retirement. That is more in line with private sector.

And yes, on Mulhurn - he has had at various times had 3 staffers, but not sure on their salaries. It takes a lot of work to take care of 3 kids, produce a radio show and be the governor's hubby--wouldn't you want 3 staffers too so you didn't actully have to raise a finger?
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I would vote for the pay cut of the politicians. My personal thought was instead of shutting down state offices ect. All the senate, representatives, governor, legislators ect. Do not get paid or benifits until an acceptable budget is approved. I bet that would get there asses in gear and not hurt the average state workers who must of us depend on.
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Teachers should get paid well, teaching is the best way to slow the spread of idiots in the world!
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Old November 5th, 2007, 04:15 PM   #15
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Our cigarette tax is the 4th highest in the country


and why aren't we #1?


i don't smoke, so we mine as well get all we can out of the people before they die of lung cancer, and at least this way the state gets back a good portion of its money when all the welfare recipients buy cigarettes.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 04:38 PM   #16
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Our cigarette tax is the 4th highest in the country


and why aren't we #1?


i don't smoke, so we mine as well get all we can out of the people before they die of lung cancer, and at least this way the state gets back a good portion of its money when all the welfare recipients buy cigarettes.
I don't smoke either. I also don't live in Jackson/Rochesterish so their taxes should at least double. After all, I don't live there, what do I care.:miff:


Do you see where I'm going with this? Maybe I'll give up wheeling. Then I'll fight to triple the plate fees for anything with 4WD. What do I care, I don't have 4WD.

I will fight for any persons RIGHTS regardless of how I feel about them. Otherwise nobody will be there to fight for my rights.
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As far as teachers salaries, they may or may not get "paid" well, but I know their benefits packages are ridiculous when compared to private sector. The retirement packages and insurance and health care costs are driving up the costs of schools, meaning less money goes to the students. They should be contributing their own money to a 401k, or similar program, and paying more for co-pays.
I'm chiming in to this thread to defend my career of choice, teaching. Yes it is true that public school teachers have good (I wouldn't choose the word ridiculous, but to each his own) benefits packages it is also true that the pay is limited.

Before someone types teachers make 100K+/year and only work 180 days I need to add that teachers must also obtain a high level of education, pursue further eduction throughout their career, service an ever growing population of special needs students, and address ever changing laws and regulations.

You stated that teachers (I) should contribute more money and pay more for co-pays. I don't appreciate that you want to take money from my family but appreciate your right to voice your opinion. You are a taxpayer, but so am I. I noticed you didn't list your career in your profile. I imagine I could come up with ways for your company to save money at your expense.

At the core your statement is that teachers benefits should be cut regardless of how they are otherwise paid. I disagree.
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I'm chiming in to this thread to defend my career of choice, teaching. Yes it is true that public school teachers have good (I wouldn't choose the word ridiculous, but to each his own) benefits packages it is also true that the pay is limited.

Before someone types teachers make 100K+/year and only work 180 days I need to add that teachers must also obtain a high level of education, pursue further eduction throughout their career, service an ever growing population of special needs students, and address ever changing laws and regulations.

You stated that teachers (I) should contribute more money and pay more for co-pays. I don't appreciate that you want to take money from my family but appreciate your right to voice your opinion. You are a taxpayer, but so am I. I noticed you didn't list your career in your profile. I imagine I could come up with ways for your company to save money at your expense.

At the core your statement is that teachers benefits should be cut regardless of how they are otherwise paid. I disagree.



I just get pissed when I read about people saying teachers make too much.

Attention Public: Your kids are the future, do you really want low paid unschooled morons teaching them values and education? Or would you rather have educated, intelligent, and respectful people teaching them not only core education, but behavior, honor, and most of all respect?

These are just my beliefs, I think teachers should be paid well (not exorbitantly) and not criticized because they "only work half the year" and "get paid too much", because in the end, what is an education really worth?

*This doesn't apply to the shitty teachers out there, there are always bad apples in the bunch.:tonka:
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I just get pissed when I read about people saying teachers make too much.

Attention Public: Your kids are the future, do you really want low paid unschooled morons teaching them values and education? Or would you rather have educated, intelligent, and respectful people teaching them not only core education, but behavior, honor, and most of all respect?

These are just my beliefs, I think teachers should be paid well (not exorbitantly) and not criticized because they "only work half the year" and "get paid too much", because in the end, what is an education really worth?

*This doesn't apply to the shitty teachers out there, there are always bad apples in the bunch.:tonka:

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Our cigarette tax is the 4th highest in the country


and why aren't we #1?


i don't smoke, so we mine as well get all we can out of the people before they die of lung cancer, and at least this way the state gets back a good portion of its money when all the welfare recipients buy cigarettes.

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