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View Poll Results: Does prayer work???
Prayer does not work, there is no god to listen. 15 17.05%
Prayer works, God hears us and moves. 48 54.55%
I am not sure, it seems to matter somehow though. 21 23.86%
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Old November 1st, 2007, 09:42 PM   #41
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haha the only thing he rules is his bitsecks swinger party:)
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Looks like you're looking at some religious propaganda :)


I looked up two of your scientists


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"Newton saw God as the master creator whose existence could not be denied in the face of the grandeur of all creation.[24][25][26] But the unforeseen theological consequence of his conception of God, as Leibniz pointed out, was that God was now entirely removed from the world’s affairs, since the need for intervention would only evidence some imperfection in God’s creation, something impossible for a perfect and omnipotent creator.[27] Leibniz's theodicy cleared God from the responsibility for "l'origine du mal" by making God removed from participation in his creation. The understanding of the world was now brought down to the level of simple human reason, and humans, as Odo Marquard argued, became responsible for the correction and elimination of evil"




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Einstein did once comment that "God does not play dice [with the universe]." This quotation is commonly mentioned to show that Einstein believed in the Christian God. Used this way, it is out of context; it refers to Einstein's refusal to accept some aspects of the most popular interpretations of quantum theory. Furthermore, Einstein's religious background was Jewish rather than Christian.

A better quotation showing what Einstein thought about God is the following:

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

Einstein recognized Quantum Theory as the best scientific model for the physical data available. He did not accept claims that the theory was complete, or that probability and randomness were an essential part of nature. He believed that a better, more complete theory would be found, which would have no need for statistical interpretations or randomness. He never included any higher beings in any of his work.

I bet you didnt read this. I know your view on this situation will chage when your about to die. Its cool what ever. But can your scientist tell anyone how monkeys got here?
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I tried but CC keeps saying im not intelligent. So Fuc* him.
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Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God is essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being."

Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Normally citing a website named "FamousChristianScientists" will probably not yield the most factual data.

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Sorry Butsecks. My bad.
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Anyways, back on topic. I'm off to bed.

I'm going to try something, and pray before I go to bed. I'm going to pray that I wake up, and I go to work. If I wake up and go to work, that means prayer works.

//Will report back tomorrow.
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lol you helped one of good friends with there truck. i know where you live on dixie.
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Old November 1st, 2007, 10:00 PM   #48
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Normally citing a website named "FamousChristianScientists" will probably not yield the most factual data.

Just sayin'
You're right.






























Lemme go edit Wikipedia...
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Old November 1st, 2007, 10:04 PM   #49
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I go to church because it seems like the family thing to do (my wife makes me) I remember hearing the pastor say, there is a god and lack of god, if you question when bad things happen it's because of lack of god. You could say there is heat and lack of heat total lack of heat is -456 degrees or so. So when a 8yr old girl gets raped that's the answer, there's a lack of god.

Then he says, heaven is a reward for people who beleive in God, you're invited to his home when you pass. If you don't believe in God there is no Heaven, so I say ok I don't believe in the Devil so there's no Hell either.

Lastly, the only thing that really bothers me about church is when they give God too much credit, They act like you owe him everything and you'd be nothing without him, I don't believe that, I work my ass off and I feel I am where I am mostly because I work my ass off.
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Hey, the canned religious response. Hence why I don't argue religion very often, I'm always on the defensive side arguing my reason against a fantasy world. I can't win, so I don't bother.

Like I've said 100 times, if religion brings you happiness, more power to you. The reason we're here is to be happy, so if church makes you happy, then that is awesome. I'd rather lay on the couch for an hour on sunday and watch football, that makes me happy. And yes Kerwin, I know being religious involves more then going to church once a week. I went to church and was "religious" for 10 years.
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I was joking when I replied to your post, it was too long to read, lol
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Anyways, back on topic. I'm off to bed.

I'm going to try something, and pray before I go to bed. I'm going to pray that I wake up, and I go to work. If I wake up and go to work, that means prayer works.

//Will report back tomorrow.
I will pray that you wake up, but are sick in the morning and not wanting to go to work.
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I will pray that you wake up, but are sick in the morning and not wanting to go to work.
OOOoooooo yer skrewed!

When Kerwin prays, God listens TWICE!
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Old November 1st, 2007, 11:08 PM   #53
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Prayer works if you are praying for the right things.
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Prayer works if you are praying for the right things.

Exactly. Have you ever had prayers come true?
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I'm going to try something, and pray before I go to bed. I'm going to pray that I wake up, and I go to work. If I wake up and go to work, that means prayer works.

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I will pray that you wake up, but are sick in the morning and not wanting to go to work.

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Here is my .02

In the human reality there is a very dynamic mixture between free will and God's will. It seems to me that there are certain things that God WILL see happen, regardless of the choice of mankind. Yet at the same time, I can choice right this very moment if I will do right or wrong. There have been a few number of times, however, where I felt that God stopped me from doing something, one time literally. There were also times when I really needed to know God's desire for my life, and I felt he was not there. To God's credit, I kept after my persuit of him and after 3 months I understood what to do, clearly.

I say all that to setup my opinion on prayer. I think prayer works similarly. If I pray right now for a raise at work, God may determine that I have not learned enough about what it means to live a life with dependance on God (which is a key to the Christian life). Perhaps I have not understood fully what it means, and God will instead let his will usurp my own. Same with a life or death situation. If I pray for someone who is sick, and they take a turn for the worse, a few possible things have happened. Either I was not praying with faith, neither were others, or it did not jive with what God saw fit. It is not outside of God's character to discipline his peopple, or to allow calamity, when necessary, although I do not believe that God does evil such as the "god" of this world does. I am babbling now, but I find prayer to be very effective, especially when someone is living life as God has called, especially when the prayer is made in true faith, especially when many are beconning, especially when our thoughts and requestly are Godly.

Presently I am asking God to provide some items for my family that I need. The cool thing is that I trust God to know what is best for me, and I am along for the ride. He has never left me stranded or in great need, and I know he will continue it. I have blogged about the events before they have worked themselves out, to allow God to shine, and I am still doing so just as he is still doing his good work as I ask him to.
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Here is my .02

In the human reality there is a very dynamic mixture between free will and God's will. It seems to me that there are certain things that God WILL see happen, regardless of the choice of mankind. Yet at the same time, I can choice right this very moment if I will do right or wrong. There have been a few number of times, however, where I felt that God stopped me from doing something, one time literally. There were also times when I really needed to know God's desire for my life, and I felt he was not there. To God's credit, I kept after my persuit of him and after 3 months I understood what to do, clearly.

I say all that to setup my opinion on prayer. I think prayer works similarly. If I pray right now for a raise at work, God may determine that I have not learned enough about what it means to live a life with dependance on God (which is a key to the Christian life). Perhaps I have not understood fully what it means, and God will instead let his will usurp my own. Same with a life or death situation. If I pray for someone who is sick, and they take a turn for the worse, a few possible things have happened. Either I was not praying with faith, neither were others, or it did not jive with what God saw fit. It is not outside of God's character to discipline his peopple, or to allow calamity, when necessary, although I do not believe that God does evil such as the "god" of this world does. I am babbling now, but I find prayer to be very effective, especially when someone is living life as God has called, especially when the prayer is made in true faith, especially when many are beconning, especially when our thoughts and requestly are Godly.

Presently I am asking God to provide some items for my family that I need. The cool thing is that I trust God to know what is best for me, and I am along for the ride. He has never left me stranded or in great need, and I know he will continue it. I have blogged about the events before they have worked themselves out, to allow God to shine, and I am still doing so just as he is still doing his good work as I ask him to.
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 06:46 AM   #59
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Here is my .02

In the human reality there is a very dynamic mixture between free will and God's will. It seems to me that there are certain things that God WILL see happen, regardless of the choice of mankind. Yet at the same time, I can choice right this very moment if I will do right or wrong. There have been a few number of times, however, where I felt that God stopped me from doing something, one time literally. There were also times when I really needed to know God's desire for my life, and I felt he was not there. To God's credit, I kept after my persuit of him and after 3 months I understood what to do, clearly.

I say all that to setup my opinion on prayer. I think prayer works similarly. If I pray right now for a raise at work, God may determine that I have not learned enough about what it means to live a life with dependance on God (which is a key to the Christian life). Perhaps I have not understood fully what it means, and God will instead let his will usurp my own. Same with a life or death situation. If I pray for someone who is sick, and they take a turn for the worse, a few possible things have happened. Either I was not praying with faith, neither were others, or it did not jive with what God saw fit. It is not outside of God's character to discipline his peopple, or to allow calamity, when necessary, although I do not believe that God does evil such as the "god" of this world does. I am babbling now, but I find prayer to be very effective, especially when someone is living life as God has called, especially when the prayer is made in true faith, especially when many are beconning, especially when our thoughts and requestly are Godly.

Presently I am asking God to provide some items for my family that I need. The cool thing is that I trust God to know what is best for me, and I am along for the ride. He has never left me stranded or in great need, and I know he will continue it. I have blogged about the events before they have worked themselves out, to allow God to shine, and I am still doing so just as he is still doing his good work as I ask him to.
I believe we are given opportunities and have the choice or free will to take or not take those opportunities/paths if you will. You might pray for something and not even notice that god has given you some opportunity to achieve that. Instead a lot of people think oh, i will just pray for it and god will "make" it happen. That part i think is crap. You still have to make it happen yourself. You have to make a move. If its the right thing you may or may not be given that opportunity.
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Aside from all the mumbo jumbo above and soon to be below Dave mentions positive thinking. I feel this goes a long way for everyone. Yes sometimes life is grim, but positive thinking will and does keep you focused in getting through hard times and accomplishing goals.
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