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Old October 20th, 2007, 10:19 AM   #21
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oh.. where the hell do you buy a aussie locker? I can't find one on the net.. google comes up with alot of "how to insall" articles.. ebay has only like 3 for sale and none are for the D44.. Help??

Thanks for everyone's help.. I would be out with the two-trackers color tour today if I didn't spend the entire night sick.. Grrr...
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Old October 20th, 2007, 11:03 AM   #23
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Good deal.. what's the "cover style 10" mean? Do I have to purchase a special diff cover?

I also want to make sure from all your wise minds out there.. A stock '05 LJ should have a 30 spline D44 out back, right? Don't want to end up sticking my new aussie locker on craigslist..

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Old October 20th, 2007, 11:52 AM   #24
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my .02

I wouldn't run an ARB for the simple fact that it fails open, meaning if your air supply fails, you can't lock the locker. I would rather have it fail locked, but that is me. And the cost is ridiculous.

Detroits- as everyone said, might as well just spent $5 on welding wire and weld up the spider gears on a light rig.

Aussie- This is your best bet. Cheap too.
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Old October 20th, 2007, 12:38 PM   #25
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pirate 4x4 for 199.00 look in vendor section.
i second the no arb. have seen many people on the trail have them fail. everyone defending them are the guys that spent 1500.00 buck so they will not admit they are not worth the money..arb is a great idea, if it would work flawless every time.
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If you are considering ARB why not consider the OX locker as well? I'm not saying this would be my choice but for about the same price it is an alternative selectable locker.

I would go with the Aussie myself however simply because its cheap and effective.
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Old October 20th, 2007, 02:17 PM   #27
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I would go with the ARB.

The ones that are failing are the ones not setup or taken care of properly.
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I think I'm going to go w/ the aussie.. can anyone confirm that a stock '05 LJ should have a 30 spline D44 out back, right? Don't want to end up sticking my new aussie locker on craigslist..
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Old October 20th, 2007, 06:40 PM   #29
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ive got arb's in my TJ and i somewhat daily driver it i wouldnt go with any other locker. Ive never had any issuse with them for over the 1 year plus ive had them in.
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If you are considering ARB why not consider the OX locker as well? I'm not saying this would be my choice but for about the same price it is an alternative selectable locker.

I would go with the Aussie myself however simply because its cheap and effective.
i wheel with three people that run ox lockers, of the three two of them fail 90 % of the time (not a good percentage )
all three were set up by three dif. shops
i don't think the ox would be my first choice or my second.......
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Very simple system. Its on when needed its off when not needed. If its plumbed properly it works great. When I say properly I mean no hoses hanging loose or rubbing. According to some its big downfall is the external plumbing or compressor. By the arguments on here the ARB would be more trail repairable than other lockers. If thats all that goes wrong then its easy to carry a length of hose and some fittings. The most vulnerable area would be the area from the body down to the rear axle. So plowing through brush and logs could be a problem. I don't fill my tires off the arb compressor. With an extra coupler I can use my separate tire compressor to tap into the locker system if needed. If engaged properly (Not while the tires are spinning) it will damned near last forever. Its teeth against teeth. no slipping, no popping, no banging, no noises, just on or off.
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Old October 22nd, 2007, 01:52 AM   #32
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i wheel with three people that run ox lockers, of the three two of them fail 90 % of the time (not a good percentage )
all three were set up by three dif. shops
i don't think the ox would be my first choice or my second.......
On one of the ones your thinking about (the one I setup) I spent about 2 hours making sure the correct amount of threads was showing outside of the shift fork, that the line was routed with no kinks, and that it went through the tub at the correct angle with no binding. Then I spent another hour driving it around the parking lot and adjusting the springs and standoff in the lever before it started locking correctly.

And I hear it still randomly doesn't work.

I would not recommend OX.

ARB is hands down the best selectable out there. Run your lines correctly, and if you think your going to beat them up, switch over to steel braided. Yes the solenoids are an electric part, and sometimes they fail. Just like your winch solenoids, your starter, alternator, blah blah blah. Everything can fail. You just have to figure out if being able to unlock your diffs is worth the fact that you may have to carry a spare part or two. I would say out of all the selectables, the ARB is going to lock the most times out of 1,000 by far.

I would not hesitate to run an Aussie in a front or rear axle with 36" tires or less. I blew a front hub and a front shaft on two separate occasions before I bent the pins in my front Aussie. $16 shipped for a new set of pins and springs. Detroits commonly break from recoil in the same way, but the parts that brake in a Detroit are a little more than $16.
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Old October 22nd, 2007, 01:57 AM   #33
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My DD has a detroit rear, barely have a problem, or know its there, unless you gas it on a corner, then it locks and squeals a tire
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Old October 22nd, 2007, 08:20 AM   #34
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I run OX's front and rear. Have been since they came out. The front blew up on me and OX stood behind it and sent a replacement with the updated 4 spider design. If you make sure the cables are in the cover properly you wont have any problems. The only ones I have seen fail were not properly set up and adjusted. And yes it takes some time to get it adjusted properly. Selectable lockers of any type do require maintenance.
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Old October 22nd, 2007, 08:50 AM   #35
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i'm fairly a newbie, but in the back you've got all the torque of the drivetrain, not to mention most of the mass shifted to the rear in uphill situations and an Aussie utilizes the original carrier with all that open cutaway in it's case for spider access and such. The Detroit is a carrier in itself and a solid case less prone to breaking apart. I couldn't do any of it with a d35, so I locked the front with an Aussie with no ill affects driving other than engaged on ice. Downside of the detroit being extra gear setup costs
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Old October 22nd, 2007, 09:09 AM   #36
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I started out with ARB's front and rear. D44 F and 9" R. I had them installed for about 2 years before I had 2 separate problems with the rear. First, I was in Canada and I started blowing dif fluid out the vent tube. Took it back to camp & pulled it apart. Found a bug, yes a critter in the relief valve in the dif. So, after about 4 hours of working in the dark, got it back together. The second time I was in KY and landed on a rock breaking my third member. Went to a junk yard and bought a new one. Problem was no one had a drill and tap for the 1/4 NPT bulkhead fitting. So, I ran the next day with an open dif. A month later I went to a spool.

I have never had a problem with the front. But, when I do my next axle swap I am going to a Detroit. I don't want the risk of all the components.
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Wow, awesome thread, with lots of good information. I plan on welding the rear in my yj, but it is not a DD. Probably a lunchbox in the front (Aussie).
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Wow, awesome thread, with lots of good information. I plan on welding the rear in my yj, but it is not a DD. Probably a lunchbox in the front (Aussie).
That is what I run and love it.
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That is what I run and love it.
x2.. well, I have a front lock-rite, instead of an aussie...
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Anyone weld an 8.8???

I am trying to decide which axles I will be installing soon. One of the options is an 8.8 in the rear.
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