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Old March 6th, 2006, 04:30 PM   #1
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Unions/Management....a new twist

I am at a plant here in the south this week assessing the location for their parent company. I was told their hourly workforce is 60% UAW. I am in a right to work state, so they do not have to join the UAW to work in the plant.

Top pay is $24/hour...and that is available to both UAW members and non-UAW members.

I was told the UAW members get nothing more for being in the union. They just pay union dues.

With that being said, why would someone join the UAW?

I know we have union supporters and anti-union folks here.

Please discuss
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Old March 6th, 2006, 04:32 PM   #2
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The only two things I could think of are the possibility that the union negotiated a better benefit package and having the union represent them if there is a problem between management and the union worker.
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Old March 6th, 2006, 04:34 PM   #3
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The only two things I could think of are the possibility that the union negotiated a better benefit package and having the union represent them if there is a problem between management and the union worker.
They get the same benefit package.
This plant is in high demand and local unemployment is <1%
They pull hourly workers from 2 other states (2 hour commute)
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Well, I don't have any other ideas, except for asking one of those union people why they would join just to pay dues.
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Old March 6th, 2006, 04:42 PM   #5
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I am at a plant here in the south this week assessing the location for their parent company. I was told their hourly workforce is 60% UAW. I am in a right to work state, so they do not have to join the UAW to work in the plant.

Top pay is $24/hour...and that is available to both UAW members and non-UAW members.

I was told the UAW members get nothing more for being in the union. They just pay union dues.

With that being said, why would someone join the UAW?

I know we have union supporters and anti-union folks here.

Please discuss

Maybe they want brotherhood and solidarity...haha
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Old March 6th, 2006, 04:44 PM   #6
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joining the union a pre-requisite to obtaining a position in the union infrastructure itself?

e.g. committee man, etc, etc.?
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Old March 6th, 2006, 04:54 PM   #7
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joining the union a pre-requisite to obtaining a position in the union infrastructure itself?

e.g. committee man, etc, etc.?
I would say yes. TO get a union position, they would have to be in good UAW standing.

I am going to look into this tomorrow, as I do not know how many union reps they have here
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Old March 6th, 2006, 05:07 PM   #8
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This could get pretty interesting, please keep us updated dave.. i'd like to know what the word really is. Talk to a few union workers and talk to a few smart workers and see what they have to say
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Maybe for pay during layoff??
I don't know if UAW does that, the electricians union workers do (as far as I know).
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Old March 6th, 2006, 06:21 PM   #10
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Like Jeepr said it may have something to do with Union pay for lay offs. Someone else said something about getting a job within the Union.

Maybe the union workers are unofficially treated differently than the non-union workers?
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Old March 6th, 2006, 06:22 PM   #11
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well if there is a union then its workers will be holding their jobs long after the doors close in most cases.
I work as a mechanic at Diamler and its set up so as we have call back rights for 5 years after a layoff and the guys in AZ (also a right to work state) have the same rights. my buddys Jeff and Al both work there, one is SBU(saleried Bargaining Unit) and the other is not. when they announced the closing of the AZ proving grounds only Al and the other SBU have the right to come to another Diamler plant out of that state. the rest are left with unemployment, thats it they get nothing else. the guys who transfered there from DCPG in Chelsea like Al did have all their seniority if they come back here even if they have been gone for 20 years. the other thing is Jobs, they will be payed by the union to retrain for a job in another plant. its all about seniority in the union as to what your intitled to. better jobs withen a unit and things like that. if one worker is getting something outside of the loop its not long before everyone else who is union are on the same program. you guys can knock the union but my wifes aunt was at the Dexter Zeeb rd plant when it closed , she wound up in Huntsville and spent the last 28 years there until she retired. if she hadden't been union then she would have been on the street.
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I am at a plant here in the south
Top pay is $24/hour...
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benefit package.
This plant is in high demand and local unemployment is <1%
They pull hourly workers from 2 other states (2 hour commute)
My questions are:

Where is this?
Are they hiring?
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Old March 6th, 2006, 08:41 PM   #13
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My questions are:

Where is this?
Are they hiring?
Yes they are hiring. They cannot get good workers. They average 20% no show/sick/vacation daily

They are located in North Carolina
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Old March 6th, 2006, 09:22 PM   #14
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I'm a UAW worker for Chrysler at the Trenton Engine plant and without the Union I would be out of a job. About 2 1/2 years ago our plant decided to outsource some of our products and ship one of our engines out to another plant in WI, after everything was said and done we lost about 600 employees, I was one of them. With the great negotiating of our brothers and sisters they secured my job through our existing contract which ends in 2007. With the number of companies downsizing and closing up the union will protect you from being treated like a number. The reality of this is Corporate America doesn't care about you making your bills or putting food on the table. They could care less if you have a babysitter or if you are too sick to work. This is where the union comes into play. They set rules that forces management to treat you somewhat like a human being,for example they cant walk up to you and say you'll be starting 2nd shift tomarrow, they can't tell you we're going to give your job to this guy because he is a relative of the boss (your seniority plays a big role in union's) I could go on and on about the good things that unions do. I know some people say they protect people that should be fired and they do to a point, but it's not like it used to be. If someone gets fired for coming to work drunk that person will be off for at least a year with counciling and then they might get another chance. One more thing for those people who say we are over paid and all we do is read newspapers well they are wrong. Chrysler has industrial engineers that has every job timed out, we work 54 seconds out of the minute and in extreme conditions in the summer months. In my department it is 85 degrees in the winter, in the summer I have seen it get to 120 and when I pull the heads back on my machine to change the cutting tools it will take your breath away and make you feel sick to your stomach. The smell of the oily coolant alone will make most people sick but then you add in the very humid hot tempature inside the machine, I have actually seen people pass out. With a union you have a right to free gatoraid, popsicles, ice, and cool down breaks. If you don't have a union management will tell you if you can't handle it then your fired. I don't mean to rant and rave but most people just don't understand everything that Union's do for people.
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Old March 6th, 2006, 09:25 PM   #15
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If this is still around tomorrow I will respond to that post. I'm to tired tonight.

I would sell the business before I would let it go union.
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Old March 6th, 2006, 11:50 PM   #17
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With that being said, why would someone join the UAW?

I know we have union supporters and anti-union folks here.

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because the union buddies say if you're not with them you're against them, then to be buddies you have to join.
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Old March 7th, 2006, 06:39 AM   #18
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I'm a UAW worker for Chrysler at the Trenton Engine plant and without the Union I would be out of a job. About 2 1/2 years ago our plant decided to outsource some of our products and ship one of our engines out to another plant in WI, after everything was said and done we lost about 600 employees, I was one of them. With the great negotiating of our brothers and sisters they secured my job through our existing contract which ends in 2007. With the number of companies downsizing and closing up the union will protect you from being treated like a number. The reality of this is Corporate America doesn't care about you making your bills or putting food on the table. They could care less if you have a babysitter or if you are too sick to work. This is where the union comes into play. They set rules that forces management to treat you somewhat like a human being,for example they cant walk up to you and say you'll be starting 2nd shift tomarrow, they can't tell you we're going to give your job to this guy because he is a relative of the boss (your seniority plays a big role in union's) I could go on and on about the good things that unions do. I know some people say they protect people that should be fired and they do to a point, but it's not like it used to be. If someone gets fired for coming to work drunk that person will be off for at least a year with counciling and then they might get another chance. One more thing for those people who say we are over paid and all we do is read newspapers well they are wrong. Chrysler has industrial engineers that has every job timed out, we work 54 seconds out of the minute and in extreme conditions in the summer months. In my department it is 85 degrees in the winter, in the summer I have seen it get to 120 and when I pull the heads back on my machine to change the cutting tools it will take your breath away and make you feel sick to your stomach. The smell of the oily coolant alone will make most people sick but then you add in the very humid hot tempature inside the machine, I have actually seen people pass out. With a union you have a right to free gatoraid, popsicles, ice, and cool down breaks. If you don't have a union management will tell you if you can't handle it then your fired. I don't mean to rant and rave but most people just don't understand everything that Union's do for people.
I just spoke with the plant manager and HR manager. The UAW negotiated certain rights, but they are applicable to all employees. NC is a right to work state, meaning they CANNOT offer additional benefits to UAW members. Everything the UAW members get, the non-members get.

I will talk to a couple of UAW members today, but it appears they just give union dues for nothing.
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Old March 7th, 2006, 07:10 AM   #19
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I will talk to a couple of UAW members today, but it appears they just give union dues for nothing.
think about this..
if the managment decides they don't want to give bathroom breaks for workers anymore, do you think they can take them from a union worker that has it in their contract? no.
can they take them from the non union guy...YES! and theres nothing he can do about it. its simple things like this that caused the unions to form in the first place. I can say I am not up on everything the unions about, but my job is secure for the time being.

..and don't get me started on Heath care
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Yes they are hiring. They cannot get good workers. They average 20% no show/sick/vacation daily

They are located in North Carolina
do they need anyone to telecommute? I can do light sql work, some light xml coding, and GIS work :fingerscrossed:
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