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Old October 2nd, 2007, 09:07 AM   #41
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Chad I agree that the Dodge trucks feel cheep inside. I'm all for spartan, rubber mat work trucks, but even thier high-lines feel chintsy.. seem to squeak and rattle a lot too.

I hate every Ford dash from the mid-ninetys on and its too bad because I think ford builds an otherwise good truck (SD, not babytrucks).

Like you, i feel as though my GM truck has aged very well and I don't think I would have the same luck with ANY of the newer offerings. There have simply been too many cost reductions, outsourcings, CAFE requirements and NVH complains for the big 3 to continue to make as strong of a truck as they made 5 or 10 years ago.

I'll now return to a land where bumpers are steel and air bags are for Buicks.
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I hate every Ford dash from the mid-ninetys on and its too bad because I think ford builds an otherwise good truck (SD, not babytrucks).
Scott your truck has aged well!
I can't get over the ford dashes either!!

barry1me I'm not so much interested in modding the truck out all that much. Stock and reliable is where it's at!
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Scott your truck has aged well!
I can't get over the ford dashes either!!

barry1me I'm not so much interested in modding the truck out all that much. Stock and reliable is where it's at!
understood always the safest route...though I would highly suggest still blocking off your EGR cooler and shutting off the egr valve even if the truck is bone stock.....will prevent problems in the long run!
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understood always the safest route...though I would highly suggest still blocking off your EGR cooler and shutting off the egr valve even if the truck is bone stock.....will prevent problems in the long run!
is this the case with the 7.3 as well?
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 11:39 AM   #45
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is this the case with the 7.3 as well?
no the 7.3L didnt have an EGR system. All of the new diesel trucks, ford, chevy, dodge had EGR systems....now the brand new trucks even have more emmisions equipment...Diesel particulate filters.
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don't forget the selective catalytic reduction.....

not that I know how that all works but I had to find an SCR Tech specialist for a job once.
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don't forget the selective catalytic reduction.....

not that I know how that all works but I had to find an SCR Tech specialist for a job once.
yeah that will be on most diesel vehicles in produced after Jan 1st 2010.
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Old October 3rd, 2007, 10:19 AM   #48
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This is may take on diesels after using them for about 10 years and working on them for a long time

The Ford 6.0- I own one. My 04/04 (Job 2 04 with the 2004 engine) has been decent. I have the 6 sp in a F350 SRW. I unplugged the EGR in it. You can do this on 2003 and 2004 model years. I average about 19 hwy and 14 city. The turbo lag is annoying. Some 2005's have high pressure oil rail problems. Most have been fixed by now. Buy the parts (filters and such, it's a VT365) at the IH dealer. Wayyyyy cheaper. Add a coolant filter to these trucks. Lots of casting sand.

The Ford 7.3- My dad has one. It's not as high performance as the 6.0. Some eat cam sensors. Carry a spare CPS and a 10mm wrench. Also the auto trannys are not the best. Change to a BTS tranny and you have a winner. Also keep track of the SCA in the antifreeze. Liner corosion is a problem with these.

Dodge 5.9 12v- Best engine ever put in a truck. This engine will go 500,000+ miles with proper care. My friend has a 1992 D350 with about 525,000 on it. The auto transmissions are not the best. The Getrag 360 is a fragile unit. Proper shimming is critical on long life. The NV 4500 has a 5th gear problem. Watch out for the death wobble. It can be fixed for $. Look for a Bosh P7100 pump model (1994-1998). They can be upgraded chea and easy to fix.

Dodge 24V 1998-2002- Stay away. These like to eat VP-44 pumps.

Dodge Common Rail- 2nd best engine put in a pick-up. Quiet and powerful. Same auto issues, but can be fixed. Probably the truck I would look for.

Chevys- Do not care for the suspension or the GM built engines. The Duramax is a good engine and the Allison auto is great. In my Opinion the truck is not up to the task. I hate high centering when crossing back furrows. These seem to drive like a high performance 1/2 ton.

These are my opinions. Your results may vary.
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How do the automatics in the 2000's seem to hold up to stock/very moderate power?
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In the Ford they had the 4R100. Stock power you are probably ok. My dad has a 1999 F450 with the V10. The trans has almost 200,000 on no fluid changes. This is a utility truck with a 40' Telsta bucket on it. His 2001 F250 with the 7.3 has 70,000 on it and the trans seems to be ok in it.

In the Dodge they had the 47RE until the Common Rail. Then it changed to the 48RE. The 48RE is a better trans. If I remember correctly they will both handle stock power levels fairly well. The converters are the biggest issue. They do not follow the diesel power band well.

In either case the engines would be better served with a good converter designed for a diesel and a good aftermarket trans.

I forgot to add that on the 7.3 Fords the man. trans. had a dual mass flywheel. If you purchase one of these start saving for a single mass. My friend tore one of these out on his 1999 F350 within 50,000 towing heavy loads.
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I forgot to add that on the 7.3 Fords the man. trans. had a dual mass flywheel. If you purchase one of these start saving for a single mass. My friend tore one of these out on his 1999 F350 within 50,000 towing heavy loads.

I think chevies had them too - $700 from south bend clutch will get you a stronger clutch, pressure plate and single mass flywheel. My truck got the first replaced at 60K, and I replaced the second DMFW with a SMFW around 120K.
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Chevys have the Dual mass flywheel as well. At least on some of the 6.5s, if not all, and the Duramaxes. South Bend clutch makes great replacement clutches. At least the ones that I have used had better pedal pressure than the stock and a more positive feel.
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Old October 7th, 2007, 09:45 PM   #53
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6.0's are hotrods but the 7.3 is bulletproof. 03's -AND- early-04's are the problematic 6.0's... not sure on the cutoff date off the top of my head. headgaskets are apparently a disposable item for them.

with an SCT tuner a 6.0 is a monster. you can get decent power out of the 7.3's too. that's when the trans becomes the weak link with all that power. neither will be a cummins, but you'll have a helluva truck overall. (unless you do the swap as stated... been crunching the numbers myself )

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just to update.... i finally ran a tank empty with all city driving. This is basically me driving about 8 miles to work everyday, then to hockey, etc... no more than 2 miles cruising the highway at a time...

~17-18 mpg. I was expecting about 15, so this is a great suprise.
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I filled up yesterday, stock tires, 7.3 turbo 120xxx miles city driving 19mpg.
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6.0's are hotrods but the 7.3 is bulletproof. 03's -AND- early-04's are the problematic 6.0's... not sure on the cutoff date off the top of my head. headgaskets are apparently a disposable item for them.

with an SCT tuner a 6.0 is a monster. you can get decent power out of the 7.3's too. that's when the trans becomes the weak link with all that power. neither will be a cummins, but you'll have a helluva truck overall. (unless you do the swap as stated... been crunching the numbers myself )

yeah I would agree with that statement. I have an SCt tuner with custom tuning and it runs pretty good. Its pretty amazing what these trucks will do with a $400 tuner! I do have to say Im pretty impressed with the Torqshift. I have 90K miles on my 05 and it shifts and feels great even with a race file...





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Wow, you 7.3 guys are getting much better milage than I am. I've got a 2001 F250 Crew longbox with a SuperChip and have tried it with & without the tuner. Best highway tank I've ever gotten is 17 mpg. Pulling my Blazer on my heavy trailer or pulling my 4 place enclosed snowmobile trailer on the hwy at 70 mph I only get about 8-9 mpg with or without the chip. It pulls like crazy, performs well, just dosen't get good milage. Guy I wheel with has close to the same truck (super cab) gets 17 mpg with his camper in the bed & his jeep on the trailer.

I'm running 285 BFG AT's which are bigger than stock and have a crew long box but can't believe the slightly bigger tires & bigger truck are making such a big difference on mpg.

I'm wondering if perhaps my gearing is really tall. How do I go about telling what gearing I have ? Can you tell by the VIN or something what came in it from the factory ?
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just filled up again... went to flint towing 2000 lbs and came back empty this weekend, plus about 4 days of city driving... I would say 2/3 of the miles were highway

19.4 mpg, uncorrected for larger tires, so really closer to 21.3 mpg
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I could get it from the vin, or you can look at the axle tag.
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Thanks, I'm going to be under it this weekend so I'll look on the tag. If I can't come up with it I'll PM you.
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