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Old March 4th, 2006, 07:06 AM   #41
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Lets make this clear. There is concrete "metric" The issue is not process related. We have 20 other people who dont have a problem at all. This is a person problem, not a company problem.

Second, work sheets? What the fukc second grade. Does your boss give you busy work and recess too? Within her job description she has open things that change on a basis we cant controll. The bigger issue here is you utter lack of a real idea on whats going on. When the situation is past I'll share as many details as I'm able to but untill go defend a cop killer or baby raper.
You honestly have NO IDEA WTF you are talking about. Everything I typed is the basis for the best run company in the world.

You have said several times she has no metric of "lines per hour"..look up te term "takt time". She should be working to that and only that. If she can work faster than her "takt time" it is your job as manager (I am assuming you are a manager) to find her other value added work to do. You have stated she does 400 or 500 r whatever her "requirement" is to do. Meaning she can do it, BUT, your process allows her to work the system. You are correcr, she sounds like a poop performer, but I have heard this story 1000 times before, and 99.9% of the time it tends to be loose process and poor metrics.

You bash the UAW, but some of the best workers I have ever seen are UAW guys, with tight process controls and sound metrics.

Worksheets as busy work? You are an idiot. What a Standard worksheet is, is it clearly labels all tasks that the operator is to peform. It is a recipe to do their job.

I have no idea what kind of business this is, but good luck growing without standard work. You have NO idea what the potential outcomes are w/out it.

As far as my E-dick, don't worry Deke, no one will have claim to have one as big as you. I am sorry I offended you by joking with Stan on my education. Not all of us are smart enough to be self taught IT guys. Some of us have to go to grad school to become as smart as you.
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You honestly have NO IDEA WTF you are talking about. Everything I typed is the basis for the best run company in the world.

You have said several times she has no metric of "lines per hour"..look up te term "takt time". She should be working to that and only that. If she can work faster than her "takt time" it is your job as manager (I am assuming you are a manager) to find her other value added work to do. You have stated she does 400 or 500 r whatever her "requirement" is to do. Meaning she can do it, BUT, your process allows her to work the system. You are correcr, she sounds like a poop performer, but I have heard this story 1000 times before, and 99.9% of the time it tends to be loose process and poor metrics.

You bash the UAW, but some of the best workers I have ever seen are UAW guys, with tight process controls and sound metrics.

Worksheets as busy work? You are an idiot. What a Standard worksheet is, is it clearly labels all tasks that the operator is to peform. It is a recipe to do their job.

I have no idea what kind of business this is, but good luck growing without standard work. You have NO idea what the potential outcomes are w/out it.

As far as my E-dick, don't worry Deke, no one will have claim to have one as big as you. I am sorry I offended you by joking with Stan on my education. Not all of us are smart enough to be self taught IT guys. Some of us have to go to grad school to become as smart as you.

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahah you faggot. hhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahaha I'm not even gona dignify your poorly worded, union ball cupping, lack of knowledge response.
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hhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahah you faggot. hhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahaha I'm not even gona dignify your poorly worded, union ball cupping, lack of knowledge response.

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You honestly have NO IDEA WTF you are talking about. Everything I typed is the basis for the best run company in the world.
No, everything you typed is the basis for the best run theoretical business in some book written by another business professor that probably has never held a job outside of academia. I know a lot of MBA grads that couldn't manage to piss me off, let alone manage a business. I am in the process of getting into an MBA program myself. I look forward to learning these simple steps to the perfectly run company.

BTW- Where did you get the MBA degree from? Did you work while doing it, or do the MBA full-time. Just curious. If I get in, this weekend MBA program is gonna kick my butt for 17 months. :gman:
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No, everything you typed is the basis for the best run theoretical business in some book written by another business professor that probably has never held a job outside of academia. I know a lot of MBA grads that couldn't manage to piss me off, let alone manage a business. I am in the process of getting into an MBA program myself. I look forward to learning these simple steps to the perfectly run company.

BTW- Where did you get the MBA degree from? Did you work while doing it, or do the MBA full-time. Just curious. If I get in, this weekend MBA program is gonna kick my butt for 17 months. :gman:
I'll keep this basic for Mr 100K MBA.

When you have 20 other people under the same management and with 0 issues its a people problem. It'll save you countless man hours in figuring out is your shemegma is off taste or your shoes are tied wrong in order to hold a commanding presence in front of your slaves...err employees.

So yea in conclusion I'd say that you sumed it up. In accordance with my terms of service agreement I'll tell the 100K nilly to go suck a crooked tooth, fuck his kity and use his degree to clean the shit off his baby maker stick
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I'll keep this basic for Mr 100K MBA.

When you have 20 other people under the same management and with 0 issues its a people problem. It'll save you countless man hours in figuring out is your shemegma is off taste or your shoes are tied wrong in order to hold a commanding presence in front of your slaves...err employees.

So yea in conclusion I'd say that you sumed it up. In accordance with my terms of service agreement I'll tell the 100K nilly to go suck a crooked tooth, fuck his kity and use his degree to clean the shit off his baby maker stick
Deke, I am amazed....you must have been a lit major in school the way you write....I am in awe.

What I typed, is from person observations from within 100's of companies from around the world. You may be correct (and this makes arguments nice) in that this is a people issue. What I was saying (from person account) is it is not always a people issue. About 90% of issues with employees are process issues (no metrics, no standards, no accountability). I am not saying this is your case, especially if you have 20 others doing the job just fine. All I was saying is people need to be measured. It gives them direction. It lets them know if they are being successfull or not. When I work with a company, this is one of the first things we do.

As far as this concept coming from the best run company in the world...this is not theory, this is the basis for THE TOYOTA PRODUCTION SYSTEM. It is a little thing that every other company in the world is trying to emulate. But I am sure Deke knows all about this. He does work for his mom, and I am sure she only hires the best, not just her son (who by the way is never on the internet bitching about others fucking off while at work).
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No, everything you typed is the basis for the best run theoretical business in some book written by another business professor that probably has never held a job outside of academia.
This professor that probably has never held a job outside of academia is name Taichi Ohno....who is the master mind of the Toyota Production System

To answer your question, I worked full time while in grad school (UofM - but do not hold that against me as I am a Sparty at heart)

Congrats BTW on the weekend MBA....they are tough. Is this the MSU exec program? -if so, that is a great program, especially in the auto's
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Deke, I am amazed....you must have been a lit major in school the way you write....I am in awe.

What I typed, is from person observations from within 100's of companies from around the world. You may be correct (and this makes arguments nice) in that this is a people issue. What I was saying (from person account) is it is not always a people issue. About 90% of issues with employees are process issues (no metrics, no standards, no accountability). I am not saying this is your case, especially if you have 20 others doing the job just fine. All I was saying is people need to be measured. It gives them direction. It lets them know if they are being successfull or not. When I work with a company, this is one of the first things we do.

As far as this concept coming from the best run company in the world...this is not theory, this is the basis for THE TOYOTA PRODUCTION SYSTEM. It is a little thing that every other company in the world is trying to emulate. But I am sure Deke knows all about this. He does work for his mom, and I am sure she only hires the best, not just her son (who by the way is never on the internet bitching about others fucking off while at work).
A bit of humbility would do you good. "best" run company? come on man. Thats a buncha liberal bullshit. There is no "best" considering the variables. You have only seen a very small portion of the entire thing.

So yota called - they;d like your 100K MBA in the office to run um bestly
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A bit of humbility would do you good. "best" run company? come on man. Thats a buncha liberal bullshit. There is no "best" considering the variables. You have only seen a very small portion of the entire thing.

So yota called - they;d like your 100K MBA in the office to run um bestly
I have never done any work with Toyota outside of Touring one plant in Japan, their Kentucky plant, and doing some training at NUMMI.

Everyone considers Toyota to be the best in the world. They do things that blows everyone else a way. They are the benchmark for all manufacturing companies. High quality, low cost, short leadtimes (both production and to market times). All the other OEM's do whatever they can to copy the Toyota Production System. GM has GMS (Global Manufacturing System). DCX has SMART or the DCPS. Ford has the Ford Production System. All of these are based off of TPS.
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A bit of humbility would do you good. "best" run company? come on man. Thats a buncha liberal bullshit. There is no "best" considering the variables. You have only seen a very small portion of the entire thing.

So yota called - they;d like your 100K MBA in the office to run um bestly
BTW, the portion I see is more than most. I tour over 100 plants a year around the world. I have seen the best, I have seen the worst.

Liberal bullshit? Stop listening to Stan....I guarantee I am one of the least liberal people on this board.

Deke, I enjoy arguing with you, but please use less insults and more facts. THANKS
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yea uuhhhh manufactoring is not even close to white collar work. you cant even begin to compare management styles.


















did you get the memo about the TPS cover sheets?
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BTW, the portion I see is more than most. I tour over 100 plants a year arounsd the world. I have seen some of the best, I have seen some of the worst.

Liberal bullshit? Stop listening to Stan....I guarantee I am one of the least liberal people on this board.

Deke, I enjoy arguing with you, but please use less insults and more facts. THANKS
More facts. 4 years of the company. Turning profit. Expanding quarterly. Went from last ranked when started to top numbers within said 4 years on quailty, contracts per year, and others.

So yea.. I think the companies doing just fine without a toyota management team.
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yea uuhhhh manufactoring is not even close to white collar work. you cant even begin to compare management styles.


















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You have got to be kidding me. A process is a process. Does not matter if it is building cars, or treating patients. This applies to all spectrums of business. I have worked with a number of well known hospitals to apply the Toyota way in clinical settings. Done this with insurance companies. Did this with the airforce. The same set of beliefs holds true. I spent 6 years at GM in the office...they were striving to work this way the entire time.

As far as not comparing management styles....a month ago myself and a co-worker took 3 execs from Disney on a tour of GM's LGR plant so they culd learn a new way to manage. They were floored. They have already started to develop a new "operating system" in a service company.

1956 is over, it is time for "traditional" management to understand this before we lose more jobs to Mexico/China/India or where ever
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More facts. 4 years of the company. Turning profit. Expanding quarterly. Went from last ranked when started to top numbers within said 4 years on quailty, contracts per year, and others.

So yea.. I think the companies doing just fine without a toyota management team.
That is awesome.
Congrats

I was going to use the same model for success that you are using, but my mom sold her business.
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That is awesome.
Congrats

I was going to use the same model for success that you are using, but my mom sold her business.
To honest we're all surprised we've done what we're doing. But company wise...we are the toyota of our line of work. Pushing the edge.

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This professor that probably has never held a job outside of academia is name Taichi Ohno....who is the master mind of the Toyota Production System

To answer your question, I worked full time while in grad school (UofM - but do not hold that against me as I am a Sparty at heart)

Congrats BTW on the weekend MBA....they are tough. Is this the MSU exec program? -if so, that is a great program, especially in the auto's
I am set to retake my GMAT on 3/18 and still have to get my application finished and submitted. My old GMAT scores have expired since I took it 6-7 years ago. Hopefully I can remember all this -x+ZY^3=whocares crap. It isn't the exec program. I think that one is in Troy. This would be at MSU. It's like every other or every third weekend for 17 months. Start in July and finish 17 months later in December.:gman:
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yea uuhhhh manufactoring is not even close to white collar work. you cant even begin to compare management styles.

did you get the memo about the TPS cover sheets?
I have never seen Sol Goode in a blue collar... Besides manufactoring companies need management (aka white collar workers) too.
I am also in IT so I know that IT people tend to work different hours and schedules than non-IT people. I also know that Sol Goode didnt just go to college and is now sitting on his couch pontificating... He actually is out there in the business world working at a level much higher than a small office.:miff:
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I have never seen Sol Goode in a blue collar... Besides manufactoring companies need management (aka white collar workers) too.
I am also in IT so I know that IT people tend to work different hours and schedules than non-IT people. I also know that Sol Goode didnt just go to college and is now sitting on his couch pontificating... He actually is out there in the business world working at a level much higher than a small office.:miff:
thats great and all but does that make it the best?

At the point in time when you say you are the best, any chance you have of being on top just fell down the stairs. When your mindset is "this is the best" then you've lost all edge on pushing the bar higher. The bar will always be above your head, not under your feet. Anyone with any worthwhile MBA knows that. His ignorance towards business in the sense that its not all the same leads me to believe he's either trolling, drunk, or generally unhappy wit h his penis size.
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