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Old September 14th, 2007, 02:10 PM   #41
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I am not going to cite sources for all of you(lack of time), but i will give you some interesting points

1. If you choose to believe going to war with Iraq was morally just because of all the people Saddam killed, you must realize how many people the war has killed (US personnel and Iraqi civilians)...then you must also factor in the millions of Iraqi refugees that have fled Iraq to other countries. So if you look at the net loss of live/resulting number of refugees, Id say the war (which some argue was a humanitarian effort) actually did much more damage than good.

Second, if you do want to argue that the US fights for morally just causes, then why have we done so little in Darfur? There is an actual genocide going on there but we do relatively nothing about it because we are stretched so thin due to a pointless war

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Old September 14th, 2007, 02:15 PM   #42
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While my intent is not to diminish the value of any US personnel lost, the number of soldiers killed in the War on Terror pales in comparison to any other major conflict in history. Its nothing when you consider the big picture. To invade another country and only lose a few thousand over the course of years was previously unthinkable. If they actually wanted to fight back, we'd have lost a hell of a lot more.

The difference is the media coverage.
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Old September 14th, 2007, 02:22 PM   #43
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That is true...but I also believe it is good that our society cares about the loss of life...and doesnt down play it by saying 3000 lives means nothing
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Old September 14th, 2007, 02:30 PM   #44
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I am not going to cite sources for all of you(lack of time), but i will give you some interesting points

1. If you choose to believe going to war with Iraq was morally just because of all the people Saddam killed, you must realize how many people the war has killed (US personnel and Iraqi civilians)...then you must also factor in the millions of Iraqi refugees that have fled Iraq to other countries. So if you look at the net loss of live/resulting number of refugees, Id say the war (which some argue was a humanitarian effort) actually did much more damage than good.

Second, if you do want to argue that the US fights for morally just causes, then why have we done so little in Darfur? There is an actual genocide going on there but we do relatively nothing about it because we are stretched so thin due to a pointless war

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...e-for-the-oil/
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Old September 14th, 2007, 02:41 PM   #45
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That link makes me also think of another great debate...

So we are there for oil...to protect the valuable resource that keeps america going, and it is costing us 2 billion a week just for the war.

Its pretty funny to know that the annual alternative energy spending that the government installed in the year of 2005 after bush's state of the union address, is less that the 2 billion we spend for one week in iraq....

Basically, if we put all the money we took all the money the US spent on the Iraq war, and put it towards alt. energy (fuel cells, wind, solar, biomass) it would be enough to break the "addiction to oil"

If this country was able to put a man on the moon....i think we can take technology such as solar and fuel cell, (which has already been invented) and apply it to breaking the addiction to oil.
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Old September 14th, 2007, 07:54 PM   #46
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The difference is the media coverage.
I would have to agree with that, 'cause when you're right, you're right.
Sat. links can bring images and commentary back here to your living room instantly. How long did it take for news of WWII to reach the general public back then?
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Old September 14th, 2007, 11:43 PM   #47
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I don't think anyone is pro-war (except maybe the rebels in Africa in the 90s). I think most everyone is pro-peace, the difference is by what means is peace achieved. If we are passive and leave dictators to torture innocent people have we achieved more or less peace than if we go in and extract that dictator.

The argument I would use make if I were you is that there is not really a difference in motive between "pro-war" and "anti-war" parties, just a difference in philosophy of passive vs. active measures to achieve peace.
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My problem with this war, is we aren't waging war, we are using the military as a pseudo-police force.

The military has one purpose, to kill and blow shit up. And to be quite blunt, we haven't done enough of either over there. How are we supposed to win if we aren't killing enough and destroying enough? War should bring fear onto those it is being waged against. And quite frankly we are not being feared enough.

Plus, us losers (well at least most of us, or the ones vocal about it) back over here do not have not tolerance/stomach/balls for a good old fashioned ass kicking.
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That is true...but I also believe it is good that our society cares about the loss of life...and doesnt down play it by saying 3000 lives means nothing
except for Boehner who says it's a SMALL price to pay.
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Old September 17th, 2007, 04:17 PM   #50
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i wont call you a conspiracy theorist, but i will call you crazy and slightly deluded.
Do yourself a favor and do a little research on the USS Maine/Spanish-American war. Just history repeating itself.

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