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Old September 12th, 2007, 04:25 PM   #1
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Default Anyone pro war? *HELP*

I have to write a paper of my opposing feelings of the U.S. involvement with Iraq...so I'm against it, but have to write a paper argueing FOR it, and I am having a heck of a time!
So, for those of you pro-war...give me some good arguements to why we should be there, why we shouldn't pull the troops. My paper is due ASAP so help me out!!!

I don't have time to surf through this forum finding pro war opinions...so thought I'd create a new one!
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Old September 12th, 2007, 04:28 PM   #2
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war helps control population, creates jobs, gives soldiers something constructive to do.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 04:36 PM   #3
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I'm out. . . good luck with the paper. I always hated being on the Pro/con side of something I didn't agree with.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 04:54 PM   #4
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Old September 12th, 2007, 07:05 PM   #5
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war justifies killing...so it allows the US government to kill people it doesnt like without getting blamed...
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Old September 12th, 2007, 07:06 PM   #6
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also, war is a great way to cause cultural divides, which eventually causes more diversity....such as the advent of the hippy
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Old September 12th, 2007, 07:15 PM   #7
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when 9/11 occured, we had to wage a war on somebody...it might has well have been Iraq.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 07:43 PM   #8
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Here's a few:

Since WWII we have become the purveyors of democracy and helping other countries. Since we have our hands in just about every other country, doing nothing about Iraq just isn't an option.

Saddam is an evil prick, and needed to be removed from power.

Just about the entire Middle East is a threat to us.

Iraq is dead smack in the middle of the Middle East, therefore offering a strategic area to set-up military operations to fight terrorism in the region.

Pulling our troops out now would ultimately lead to far worse things.

If we can become successful in Iraq with instituting a fully functioning government and safe society, it will be a good model for the rest of the Middle East to modernize.

That's about all I can think of. I do support the war in theory, however I do not support it because of the large financial cost and cost of human life.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 07:44 PM   #9
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The rest of you really helped her out.

Give yourselves a pat on the back.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 08:13 PM   #10
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I am not pro-war. I do not like war but I dislike the alternative even more. If we were to give in, "roll over", surrender to the bullies and thugs such as the islamic terrorists. what freedoms would we have? We would be no better off that the Afgans whom we freed from the Taliban , or the Iraqis whom we freed from a merciless mudering dictator.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 08:37 PM   #11
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Here is another side.

The bankers want this war to go on for as long as possible because we will have to borrow funds and pay them back with interest and make the banks rich. Why will the banks be rich you ask? Well they get rich off every war and usually play both sides since both sides need supplies. We can not make our own money to pay for things because the bankers got some legislators in their pocket to create the Fed (Central Bank was the main reason our founding fathers started the Rev war, just a little history background for you) Those same guys, the Fed then decided that Gold was no longer needed and forced US to turn in the gold and just rely on the mount of money being produced and the US word or no as tender. So the banks make us borrow, we go in debt and they get rich so that is as option for pro-war.



O yeah, just another little hitory tidbit . . . a president in the past did make his own notes and said "screw you fed" and well he was assassinated. Bankers are war mongers who love making money


So yeah, different view for you


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Old September 12th, 2007, 08:44 PM   #12
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I think for the best pro war arguments you need to think back to the begining of the war when more people supported it.

We know that at one time Saddam had WMD's, just ask the Kurds. And obviously he wasn't affraid to use them, and was trying to build rockets that could deliver them to Isreal.

His actions reletive to the weapons inspectors suggested that he did have something to hide. Our intelegence suggested that he still have these weapons, or so we're told.

I think he was playing a game of cat and mouse and lost. He wanted his enemies to think that he had these weapons while trying to show the inspectors he didn't.

And few can argue that the world was better with him than without.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 08:46 PM   #13
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After the 9/11 incident - it made sense to a point. Overall there is likely no way to remove terrorism without wiping out all of the "radical" Islam (note: not all Islam is alike).

I live near Dearborn and have spoke to a few people who lived most of their lives in Iraq - Northern Iraq hiding from terrorist activity provoked by Sadam. They were very happy someone was doing something about him.

Do we pull out of Iraq? I would like to say yes. Too many deaths have occurred for us already. Could you imagine the backlash? Be prepared for another 9/11 event because our boarders still are not secure enough due to budget cuts. But is the border a concern? No, they are already here and waiting.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 08:49 PM   #14
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as horrible as it is, i feel that war is a necessity. with the turmoil in the middle east, and islamic jihadist becoming increasingly more powerful, we need to try and stop them before another 9/11, or worse, wwIII happens.

the middle east is turning into another imperialist Japan, or facist germany. the president of iran scares the heck outta me, especially after threatening to obliterate both israel and the u.s. we need to do everything we can to help these people by stopping extremist like him. allowing him to obtain nuclear weapons would be the worst mistake we ever made!

even though saddam didn't have the quantities of wmd's we origanally(sp) thought, it isn't too hard to figure out that not only was he trying to stockpile, but he was ready and willing to do everything in his power to help destroy us and israel, and aid terrorism.

did we go about this right? i would say not, as there has been a horrible loss of life, and a lot of money has been spent. i think this war has some scary characteristics of vietnam. from constant badgering for troop withdrawals, to not allowing the troops to do what is necessary, we have really hurt our cause, and the iraqi people aren't too thrilled with us.

hope this helps, i'm sorry if it's jumbled, i've been packing my apt for the last 10 hours, and i'm ready to pass out.

Good luck on the paper, it's always tough to write about what you don't believe in!
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Old September 12th, 2007, 09:17 PM   #15
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I was pro war after 911, I thought we should go in there and just blow the place to hell and back. Now that it has dragged on for 6 years now and we still have not killed the man responsible for the attacks, rather try to convert them to a democracy... i think it was all a waste of time for american time and money. All it did for us was drive up gas prices...

An interesting read...

http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/08/mark...ion=2006090817
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I was pro war after 911, I thought we should go in there and just blow the place to hell and back. Now that it has dragged on for 6 years now and we still have not killed the man responsible for the attacks, rather try to convert them to a democracy... i think it was all a waste of time for american time and money. All it did for us was drive up gas prices...

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http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/08/mark...ion=2006090817
That article backs up my position nicely.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 09:30 PM   #17
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Could you imagine the backlash? Be prepared for another 9/11 event because our boarders still are not secure enough due to budget cuts. But is the border a concern? No, they are already here and waiting.
General P couldn't say he thought the mission in iraq makes us any safer.



Warner: “Does that make America safer?”

Petraeus: “Sir, I-I don’t know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind, uh-what I have focused on and been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force Iraq.”
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Here is another side.

The bankers want this war to go on for as long as possible because we will have to borrow funds and pay them back with interest and make the banks rich. Why will the banks be rich you ask? Well they get rich off every war and usually play both sides since both sides need supplies. We can not make our own money to pay for things because the bankers got some legislators in their pocket to create the Fed (Central Bank was the main reason our founding fathers started the Rev war, just a little history background for you) Those same guys, the Fed then decided that Gold was no longer needed and forced US to turn in the gold and just rely on the mount of money being produced and the US word or no as tender. So the banks make us borrow, we go in debt and they get rich so that is as option for pro-war.



O yeah, just another little hitory tidbit . . . a president in the past did make his own notes and said "screw you fed" and well he was assassinated. Bankers are war mongers who love making money


So yeah, different view for you


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Old September 12th, 2007, 09:45 PM   #19
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saddam was going to have to be dealt with sooner or later.
we don't see the whole story as the news rarely tells us the positive.
A very close friend has been to iraq twice, he's been in the marines almost 20 years. said they were doing alot of good over there. If you were to pull out now there would be a power vaccum with most likely Iran just taking over the country. it is unfortunate that it has taken this long however I remember being in the garage welding listening to bush say this was going to take a long time and at that moment nobody cared they were all for it.

The political end needs to be removed and the military should be calling all the shots based tactically and not to further political agenda.

so why are people complaining? because we have become a bit lazy, contempt in our own little world. I often think about all those who died as a result of 9/11, wives who were widowed, kids left without a mom or dad, innocent people of all races and religious beliefs were extinguished. for what? jealousy? a silly vendetta against america because of his father's belief? america is still here. we are not going away.

we are fed so much crap telling us to be complacent, love everyone, war is ok as long as it is sanitary and nobody gets a scratch. support the troops. there are none braver than them. My buddy left for is first tour a week after his second son was born, still he went and went again.

I think there needs to be a time when we as americans stop the propiganda and make a stand against those who oppose us.

when people who do not like us see our own media bashing and trying to put an end to the war that gives them strength to continue to fight. lets say that for a moment we filled the media with propaganda that did nothing but promote the war positively and that all islamic terrorists or insurgants will be exterminated. what would happen if we held rallies in favor of the war burned arab nation flags and effigies in the streets and shouted that all who oposed us will be crushed? they do what they do becuase they know that the majority of the population will back down. our civilians are not as tough as we once were.
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