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Old September 12th, 2007, 01:28 PM   #21
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Scenario: Police come upon a terrible crash where a ford explorer, which was reported to be stolen, crashed into an overpass as 120 mph. Then UnlimitedLove (UL) comes on the scene for insurance reasons.

Cop; "Well, UL, here it is...or what's left of it anyway"

UL; "are you sure this is a white 2004 Ford Explorer?"

Cop; "Yeah, you can tell by the remains of the grill, the rear axle, and the valve cover that it's a match with the stolen vehicle"

UL; "let's keep an open mind here though. What if it was a missile, or a Ford Explorer drone?"

Cop; "what the fukc are you talking about, we know that the stolen vehicle was headed this way, at this time and we have some crappy cctv video to prove it. We also know that the two men said to be driving it are missing"

UL; "yeah, way to be close-minded"

Cop; "are you on drugs or are you a god-damned retard?"

UL; "A simple thought that it Might not be an Explorer. That is called not being 100% sure that it was an Explorer. That's all. It's okay to not believe what the other officers have told me. I'm not saying your right but I'm not saying your wrong either. I'm glad it's so cut and dry for you and you believe what you believe. I'm trying to get to that point and maybe it'll never happen."

Cop; "Sir, I'm going to have to take you in to the station to do a narcotics screen"

Now tell me how this is any different from the above exchanges.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 01:32 PM   #22
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Sorry your telling me that a ford Explorer desinigrates(sp) at 120 MPH? No way!
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Old September 12th, 2007, 01:36 PM   #23
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A simple thought that it Might not be a plane. That is called not being 100% sure that it was a plane. That's all. It's okay to not believe what the government tells you. I'm not saying your right but I'm not saying your wrong either. I'm glad it's so cut and dry for you and you believe what you believe. I'm trying to get to that point and maybe it'll never happen.
The government didnt come into my living room and tell me anything. The show was about a group who debunked the myths. Think mythbusters but without the goatees and beanies. These people were able to show through science and photographic evidence that the myths were all a bunch of hoo haw made up by people who have theories but no science to back it up.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 01:52 PM   #24
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The government didnt come into my living room and tell me anything. The show was about a group who debunked the myths. Think mythbusters but without the goatees and beanies. These people were able to show through science and photographic evidence that the myths were all a bunch of hoo haw made up by people who have theories but no science to back it up.
For a month or so after it happened they told you it was hit by a plane.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 01:54 PM   #25
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Scenario: Police come upon a terrible crash where a ford explorer, which was reported to be stolen, crashed into an overpass as 120 mph. Then UnlimitedLove (UL) comes on the scene for insurance reasons.

Cop; "Well, UL, here it is...or what's left of it anyway"

UL; "are you sure this is a white 2004 Ford Explorer?"

Cop; "Yeah, you can tell by the remains of the grill, the rear axle, and the valve cover that it's a match with the stolen vehicle"

UL; "let's keep an open mind here though. What if it was a missile, or a Ford Explorer drone?"

Cop; "what the fukc are you talking about, we know that the stolen vehicle was headed this way, at this time and we have some crappy cctv video to prove it. We also know that the two men said to be driving it are missing"

UL; "yeah, way to be close-minded"

Cop; "are you on drugs or are you a god-damned retard?"

UL; "A simple thought that it Might not be an Explorer. That is called not being 100% sure that it was an Explorer. That's all. It's okay to not believe what the other officers have told me. I'm not saying your right but I'm not saying your wrong either. I'm glad it's so cut and dry for you and you believe what you believe. I'm trying to get to that point and maybe it'll never happen."

Cop; "Sir, I'm going to have to take you in to the station to do a narcotics screen"

Now tell me how this is any different from the above exchanges.
That was just a joke. I know what your saying but I've also seen other plane crashes and the visual evidence just doesn't match up. I know that in most plane crashes they are going as slow as possible and that might be the reason there is more debris but even in crashes when a plan runs into a mountain there is a lot more debris then was was at the Pentagon. So I just don't know for certain and am still entertaining ideas. Your postition is one of them.
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Exactly. And no, the entire vehicle would not dissenigrate but a lot of it would be scattered and unrecognizable...just like the airliner.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
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For a month or so after it happened they told you it was hit by a plane.
Um.. pay attention.. it was hit by a plane.. that is what the evidence proved :miff: There is evidence of wreckage but smarter than science college boy and his video editor didnt show that stuff in his anti government video. If the government was trying to hide the truth why wouldnt they just kill the people who are starting the urban legends? Some people need more productive things to do with their time.. hmm I might be one of them :tonka:
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Old September 12th, 2007, 01:58 PM   #28
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Wow some people do have there heads up so far they can not see daylight!:miff:
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Old September 12th, 2007, 02:09 PM   #29
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Wow some people do have there heads up so far they can not see daylight!:miff:
So just because I don't agree with you then I must have my head up my ass? Nice.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 02:32 PM   #30
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dude, you don't get it. it's like saying that 2+2=4 may or may not be true. If you made some valid points you would have a valid arguement, but just saying "yeah, well that's your opinion" doesn't get you anywhere.
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You will not agree with what ever point I might bring up. I might think it's valid but what I think doesn't get me far with you so I'll leave it alone. Thanks for you efforts to show me the light. If I agree with you in the future I'll let you know.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 09:37 PM   #32
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Well, if you go by your logic.....YOU didn't actually see with your own eyes the plane that hit the first tower. So maybe that wasn't a plane either. How do YOU know it was a plane? I mean people on the ground saw it happen, and said it was a plane, but since YOU didn't see it and there is no video proof that you believe, then it must not have happened. Maybe it was a train? Maybe it was a bunch of Mexicans kicking out windows and tossing bundles of paper on fire out the windows.

We don't have anything to compare this crash to. When was the last time a plane of this size smashed into a concrete building going that fast fully loaded with fuel....as in not dumping the fuel before a crash.

Are you old enough to remember the one that went down in the everglades? From the air it looked like someone dumped out a back pack. There was NOTHING visible. Maybe that plane didn't crash either.






Oh, and Stan, I heard from a good source that they have the people that have been reported as dead in Area 52 because 51 was too full of aliens.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 10:06 PM   #33
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Well, if you go by your logic.....YOU didn't actually see with your own eyes the plane that hit the first tower. So maybe that wasn't a plane either. How do YOU know it was a plane? I mean people on the ground saw it happen, and said it was a plane, but since YOU didn't see it and there is no video proof that you believe, then it must not have happened. Maybe it was a train? Maybe it was a bunch of Mexicans kicking out windows and tossing bundles of paper on fire out the windows.

Are you talking about the towers? I have no doubt it was a plane that hit them. As for the people on the ground at the pentagon there are so many conflicting sitings its crazy. But sense you brought it up lets talk about those people on the ground at the WTC and the explosions they heard before the plane hit.

Since you seem to "know it all," please explain to me how WTC7 fell in free fall state when it did not have this crazy hot burning jet fuel melt it's steal. I'm really confused on that one.

Mexicans?? Now your just being funny but I don't get your sense of humor.

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We don't have anything to compare this crash to. When was the last time a plane of this size smashed into a concrete building going that fast fully loaded with fuel....as in not dumping the fuel before a crash.
When was the last time or ever that jet fuel melted steal and turned it into molten steal similar to what comes out of a furnace when steel is formed?

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Are you old enough to remember the one that went down in the everglades? From the air it looked like someone dumped out a back pack. There was NOTHING visible. Maybe that plane didn't crash either.
Dude it was burried in a swamp in mud. Pull it out and wow, theres a plane.
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Old September 12th, 2007, 10:16 PM   #34
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MuddyPaws, here is a little video for you to refresh your memory. It also just happens to have some thing to compare it to as well. Please get back to me with your answer

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/322787/wtc_7_fall_4/
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Here is a kool link - look mid page for a video of an F-14 jet hitting a concrete wall at 500mph.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html
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Have you ever considered how voicing your "it was a missile" opinion might be disrespectful to those who died in the PLANE CRASH?
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We don't have anything to compare this crash to. When was the last time a plane of this size smashed into a concrete building going that fast fully loaded with fuel....as in not dumping the fuel before a crash.
When the plane hit the second tower... Also, see the video I posted above.
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Exactly. And no, the entire vehicle would not dissenigrate but a lot of it would be scattered and unrecognizable...just like the airliner.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
Yes, it would disintegrate - see above link.
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Have you ever considered how voicing your "it was a missile" opinion might be disrespectful to those who died in the PLANE CRASH?
Did you ever think that not have an open mind might be disrespectful to your founding fathers?
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Yes, it would disintegrate - see above link.
Your above link showed the plane hit the concrete but did show the aftermath. Just the ending of the plane. That dust could have been the concrete where the plane was hitting. I think you RIGHT that it did vaporize but a full length video would have been better in proving your point.
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