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Old September 5th, 2007, 12:06 PM   #1
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If your headed north to Canada to wheel, don't even think of going to PIW, Behind the Falls, Short Cut, Whitman Dam Falls trail, Golf Lake, or any other trail we've run before that is in the vicinity of Goulias River. The latest MNR, (Minestry of Natural Resources, our DNR equivalent) released in March 2007 the Algoma Headwaters Signature Site Approved Management Plan. Algoma Headwaters site is basically a chunk of property about 100+ miles north into the Canadian bush and then runs south along the Goulias River to Searchmont. The protected area is approx 400 meters from the C/L of the river on each side. It states that only certain roads will be authorized for travel by ATV's, RUV's, Snowmobiles, and full size vehicles.
These roads are identified in the plan which I can spell out if there is enough interest of you can visit the Algoma Headwaters Signature Site website @

http://www.ontarioparks.com/english/algom_planning.html

and read more about it.
It also states that any roads NOT identified in the plan AND within the boundries of the park shall be defacto closed and allowed to naturally regenerate.

While Great Lakes 4WD Assn filed comments on the plan, overwhelming environmental issues arose from the suggested use of East Goulias River Road. This road is/was the access point or termination point for all the trails I mentioned above. Additionally, because Great Lakes 4WD Assn and myself were identified and sent a personal letter as a participant we should consider ourselves forwarned. They wil be watching just as they were last year when all the warning were given out. Just living in Michigan, the MNR will assume that we're all part of the same group, just like snowmobilers.
The warning period is over. If you go, please steer clear of the Goulias River and the trails north/east of Searchmont up to the Ranger North Conservation reserve and Algoma Headwaters.
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Old September 11th, 2007, 11:32 PM   #2
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I read through the whole thing just now and what a crappy explanation of the roads. They need to put it on a map so people can see it.

Even the maps they do have are crappy.
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I read through the whole thing just now and what a crappy explanation of the roads. They need to put it on a map so people can see it.

Even the maps they do have are crappy.
Actually Tim, It's a pretty good explaination.....if their not one of the named roads, IN THE PARK, you can't be there.
The map's I got in the Master plan book are pretty decent and show the open roads but not the closed one's I haven't checked the online ones. 10000000X better than any of our DNR boys and girls do.
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My point was that on the maps they have, the roads aren't named. They are just lines. Then in the verbiage the have the legal description of the road. Basicly from here to there in long/lat mode. It also lists some roads that cross the river. But is only part of that road open? Meaning is the river crossing open? i was told a long time ago that ALL river crossings are closed, however the plan lists several roads that cross the river as OPEN.
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My point was that on the maps they have, the roads aren't named. They are just lines. Then in the verbiage the have the legal description of the road. Basicly from here to there in long/lat mode. It also lists some roads that cross the river. But is only part of that road open? Meaning is the river crossing open? i was told a long time ago that ALL river crossings are closed, however the plan lists several roads that cross the river as OPEN.
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I just looked at my Draft Plan and Preliminary Plan's from 2002 and 2005 and the appendix shows those roads. I didn't look at the .pdf of the Final plan online but I suspect the roads are there, as they were in the Draft.
The roads that cross the river that are open, HAVE bridges. It's the ones that ford the rivers that are closed. Like Saddle Lake and East Goulias, One open one closed, one has a bridge and one does not. The roads that are closed are those within ~200-300 feet of the centerline of the Goulias River. There are other areas that branch out like Whitman Dam Falls that occupy vast acreage that the boundries are a bit fuzzy. As it is in Michigan, you must know where your at at all times. The difficulty in Canada is that decent maps are hard to come by. The Algoma Forest map was one of the best but was still a 1:100000, or 1:250000 map so detail was tough to make out.
The net result is the Goulias River/Whitman Dam/ North Searchmont area that has produced so many decent trails falls right in the middle of the new Algoma Headwaters Provencial Park.
The other problem with the area we have been using is that it contains a substantial amount of unmarked private land. Most of which is held by absent owners. Most of which don't care, but none the less, it is private. Just like Billy Goat Trail. I have since learned it is primarily private, hence we will not be returning.
It's not the most popular opinion but I feel that we need to be exploring lands further north. Yeah, I know it's more road miles but to get back into Crown Land we're going to need to push north and east more. Going east is flatter and almost requires you to use Whitman Dam Road. North has more terrain changes and puts you on Hwy 17. North is where I started going 30 years ago, and most likely will be going back to this year.
If you haven't been, you need to get to Batchawana Mountain on a clear day. You can see Lake Superior.
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Jim, are the short runs off the logging trails gone? If so, that we be a great loss.
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Jim, are the short runs off the logging trails gone? If so, that we be a great loss.
NOPE! Logging or Skiddder trails still open according the MNR folks. WhiteRhino talked to them a few years back as did I and that was their statement. As long as their not in the Algoma Headwaters park, which their not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
However, they need to be legitimate skidder trials. if not, they would be questionable.
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