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Old September 2nd, 2007, 12:40 PM   #1
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Default From the "glad I live here and not there" dept.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...html?bringiton

three days, and their army's gone? :tonka:

This would be the best ownage ever. Except for the retaliation from the suicide bombers and crap.

I still think it would be worth it.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 12:45 PM   #2
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why didn't i think of that? oh wait......
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 12:46 PM   #3
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i think there having enough trouble with whats on there plate now.
i have no doubt that our boys can kick the shit out of there organized military, its there un-organized one that is the real threat
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i think there having enough trouble with whats on there plate now.
i have no doubt that our boys can kick the shit out of there organized military, its there un-organized one that is the real threat
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 01:14 PM   #5
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The issue I have with Iraq today is one of tactics and mission.

I don't believe we can build nations for people - they've gotta do it themselves.

Tactically, our strength is our technology. When we're on the ground, fighting man-to-man we're by and large equal to the enemy. While our guys are better equipped and trained, they're still largely equal in urban policing operations.

If we want to go for the win, we need to get off the ground and back into the air. Insurgents misbehaving? Wipe out a few city blocks. Car bomb? Level another few blocks. They'll learn. When you're on the ground, they can hit us with IEDs and other sneaky shit, which convinces some others that they've got a shot and a new insurgent is born. In the air, the advantage tilts our way and we're less "reachable". I suspect this is the basis of the Iran strategy.

Look at Vietnam. Limited politically-controlled air strikes on the north, and they get all cocky. Nixon gins up Operation Rolling Thunder, and we bomb the living shit out of everything in the north, and their tune changes.

We need to play to our strength.
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Just what we need, another middle eastern nation plunged into total caos with no effective government. Another reason for the rest of the world to hate us. Another breeding ground for future terrorists. Another excuss for Islamic extreemists to target the US.
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Tactically, our strength is our technology. When we're on the ground, fighting man-to-man we're by and large equal to the enemy. While our guys are better equipped and trained, they're still largely equal in urban policing operations.
We are too afraid of the press. Every big boom kills four orphanages, two hospitals, and a British soldier (or so the press would have us believe).

We kicked ass in almost every fight we've been into in Iraq.

You're right, we need to crank it up a notch or ten. You can't win an insurgency without killing a lot of people.
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Just what we need, another middle eastern nation plunged into total caos with no effective government. Another reason for the rest of the world to hate us. Another breeding ground for future terrorists. Another excuss for Islamic extreemists to target the US.
this is the way i see it
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I'll tell you the way I "see it" after I see it.
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We are too afraid of the press. Every big boom kills four orphanages, two hospitals, and a British soldier (or so the press would have us believe).

We kicked ass in almost every fight we've been into in Iraq.

You're right, we need to crank it up a notch or ten. You can't win an insurgency without killing a lot of people.
I think pretty much the only way to win militarily against an insurgency is to kill everyone willing to fight against you. That can be a huge amount of people since every time you kill one much of his family will take up arms against you. I can only think of a few times in history this has been sucessful, and most of those are thought of as acts of genocide.
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I think pretty much the only way to win militarily against an insurgency is to kill everyone willing to fight against you. That can be a huge amount of people since every time you kill one much of his family will take up arms against you. I can only think of a few times in history this has been sucessful, and most of those are thought of as acts of genocide.
And therein lies the rub.

Being "successful" means destroying your adversary - either by physically destroying them or by making others afraid to follow their path. In either case, a whole lot of "shock & awe" devastation, accompanied by collateral damage such as photogenic wounded "civilians", damaged mosques/churches/schools/hospitals and bad press.

Interesting how the world "tolerates" (they don't like it, they speak against us, but that's about it) us fighting on the ground taking casualties but would immediately mobilize against us if we started playing to our strengths - we'd be the bully picking on the weakling.
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