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Old November 9th, 2005, 09:48 PM   #1
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Unhappy Gott-A-Problem... and I need some advice!

This is second time that my Jeep has done this and I can't figure out the problem.

I am cruisen along and my red airbag light will come on and then my RPM and my MPH gauges start going wacko on me. They will die or go down half way, pop back up, then die again.

It will continue to do this until I turn it off and restart her up. The other time it did this was about a month ago during some bad weather. Not that this is it... but could this strong wind be having some effect? Or could it be electrical?

Any advice you guys have would be great. I'm pretty lost on this one! Thanks!!!

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Old November 9th, 2005, 09:51 PM   #2
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I believe that's a common problem that has to do with a wire harness plug behind the gauge cluster.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 09:58 PM   #3
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How do I fix it?
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Old November 10th, 2005, 12:21 AM   #4
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How do I fix it?
This should help....


NO: 08-15-99
SUBJECT: Erratic, Intermittent Cluster Operation/Intermittent Air Bag Warning light.
DATE: May 21, 1999

OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves installing a repair harness containing a revised instrument cluster connector.

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
Some vehicles may exhibit an intermittent illumination of the air bag warning light or an intermittent tachometer or speedometer drop out. An Airbag Electronic Control Module (AECM) fault code -"No Cluster CCD BUS " message will be present.

DIAGNOSIS:
This condition is caused by minor oxidation of the BUS circuit terminals at the instrument cluster connector. Electrical terminals will show signs of oxidation, which will appear as darkened lines or marks on the cluster male terminals. These often appear as gray or black marks rather than the appearance of oxidation or corrosion usually associated with higher current carrying circuits. THIS TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN WILL NOT ADDRESS FUEL OR OIL PRESSURE GAUGE ISSUES.

PARTS REQUIRED:
Part No. Description
105016261AA Cluster Connector Patch Harness
104856975 Electric Contact Cleaner
204778570 Heat Shrink Tubing


REPAIR PROCEDURE:
Disconnect the negative battery cable.
Remove the instrument cluster using the procedures outlined in the appropriate servicemanual.
Inspect the male terminals of pins 1 & 2 on the instrument cluster connector labeled CNB. The oxidation will appear as gray or black lines or marks on the terminals. If any signs of oxidation are present, remove them by gently scraping the terminals with a small flat bladed screw driver until the oxidation is gone. Use of a magnifying glass may be helpful. Use caution when performing this operation. Do not apply excessive force to the terminals to avoid bending them or damaging the cluster or terminals. Do not use a sharp tool, knife or sand paper, which could remove the protective plating from the terminals. Do not use any cleaner other than p/n 04856975. Other chemical cleaners could damage the instrument cluster.
Clean the male terminals with Electrical Contact cleaner, p/n 04856975. Apply the cleaner sparingly holding the cluster with the connector facing down to avoid excessive amount of cleaner from entering the cluster.
Remove the green cluster connector from the bracket.
Using wire cutters, remove the instrument cluster harness connector from the harness. Remove only the connector containing the BUS circuit This connector is labeled CBA on the cluster. Cut the wires as close to the insulator as possible.
The new connector must be soldered onto the harness. This operation requires a technician who is skilled at soldering to avoid a cold solder joint. Position the harness and align the wires with the patch harness, matching the color codes match the main wire colors. NOTE: THE XJ INSTRUMENT PANEL CONTAINS ONE MORE CIRCUIT IN THIS CONNECTOR THAN THE TJ. CUT THE UNUSED WIRE CLOSE TO THE CONNECTOR ON TJ MODELS.
Stagger cut the main harness and patch harness wires so that the solder joints will be 1/2 inch apart. Remove 1/2 inch of insulation from the wires. The new harness will have a dark blue with no tracer. This will mate with a dark blue wire with a green tracer on TJ and with a dark blue wire with a white tracer on XJ.
Slide a piece of heat shrink tubing over the wires and twist the wires together for each respective circuit.
Solder each circuit using rosin core solder. Be sure to heat the wire enough to allow the solder to melt when it comes in contact with wire. Do not use acid core solder.
Position the heat shrink tubing over the solder joints and shrink the tubing using a heat gun.
Install the connector to the bracket.
Install the instrument cluster.
Connect the battery cable.
Verify correct operation of the cluster.
POLICY:
Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.

TIME ALLOWANCE:
Labor Op. No.Time08-90-90-910.6 Hrs.

FAILURE CODE:
CodeDescriptionP8New Part
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Old November 10th, 2005, 12:29 AM   #5
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This is second time that my Jeep has done this and I can't figure out the problem.

I am cruisen along and my red airbag light will come on and then my RMP and my MPH gauges start going wacko on me. They will die or go down half way, pop back up, then die again.

It will continue to do this until I turn it off and restart her up. The other time it did this was about a month ago during some bad weather. Not that this is it... but could this strong wind be having some effect? Or could it be electrical?

Any advice you guys have would be great. I'm pretty lost on this one! Thanks!!!
What's an RMP gauge dont feel bad we wont even go through my posts and look at my lil mistakes..
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Old November 10th, 2005, 09:57 AM   #6
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Thanks Buster!!!!!
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Old September 5th, 2006, 12:20 PM   #7
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My XJ just started doing this on the way to work this morning.
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Old September 5th, 2006, 06:53 PM   #8
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My XJ just started doing this on the way to work this morning.
So you decided to dig up a 10 month old thread, just to share with us? :miff:
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Old September 5th, 2006, 09:31 PM   #9
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So you decided to dig up a 10 month old thread, just to share with us? :miff:
Yes. You know why?


BECAUSE I SEARCH BEFORE I GO AND ASK A TECH QUESTION IN ORDER TO AVOID SOMEONE LIKE YOU POSTING TO ASK ME IF I SEARCHED FIRST AND NOT OFFER ANY HELP AT ALL!!!!!!!111!!!!1!!!!!1111!1!1!!!1!






Since I searched first, I found the nicely detailed explanation of the problem and how to fix it. I have also posted it to threads on NAXJA.org that I found while I was searching for info on my problem, in which people were talking about cleaning the connections on the back of their clusters with toothbrushes and shit.
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Old September 5th, 2006, 10:02 PM   #10
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Thank you for telling all of us your jeep problem after you searched and found out what was wrong.
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Old September 5th, 2006, 10:05 PM   #11
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Thank you for telling all of us your jeep problem after you searched and found out what was wrong.
The original post was for a TJ. If you had done this, then it would be completely irrellevant. Now people know that it applies to XJ's also.

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Old September 5th, 2006, 11:39 PM   #12
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If you read the TSB posted above, it states in there that it's for a TJ and an XJ...so if they would have read it then they would know it's for a XJ.
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Old September 5th, 2006, 11:48 PM   #13
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If you read the TSB posted above, it states in there that it's for a TJ and an XJ...so if they would have read it then they would know it's for a XJ.
You know damn well that nobody on this site likes to read. :tonka: Did you see how far down you have to go before you hit "XJ"?
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Old September 5th, 2006, 11:51 PM   #14
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if this happens and u dont really want to through all of the hassle of re soldering wires and crap......either use contact jelly and go over all of the connections where the cluser fits into the dash board, and also if it happens while driving on the road, just push on the whole cluster a little bit and it will fix it
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Old September 6th, 2006, 06:54 PM   #15
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My XJ did this twice, about 4 years ago. I didn't do anything to fix it. It just went away by itself???
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My XJ did this twice, about 4 years ago. I didn't do anything to fix it. It just went away by itself after my head shoved the dashboard backwards and moved the connections in my rollover???
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Old September 7th, 2006, 04:27 PM   #17
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My XJ did this twice, about 4 years ago. I didn't do anything to fix it. It just went away by itself after PP was giving me roadskull, and I shot my load so hard it slammed his head into the dashboard and moved the connections in my rollover???
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