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Old April 3rd, 2008, 05:01 PM   #41
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I absolutely love this build thread
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Old April 5th, 2008, 11:36 AM   #42
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I've got to give a ton of props to John at Plymouth Rubber and Transmission. He helped me with the SS hoses. Here's what got done today:






I'm waiting for the inline power steering filter to arrive UPS from Texas. So when it shows up, I'll splice it into the rubber line. When the master cylinder to combo valve lines get here from Missouri, I can 'think' about bleeding the brakes.

Hope to do an engine start before the end of this month....
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Great lookin project. Thanks for all of the pictures and info. Really helps the people like me who are new to all of the fab work.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 12:15 PM   #44
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Thanks! No problem with pics, I take lots of them now. At my age, I got to have some backup memory.
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nice.

you get started to early wrenching :tonka: im just starting now.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 08:46 PM   #47
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Got the DOT ss brake lines on Monday:


These have a clear vinyl cover over the stainless steel braid. I also got my inline power steering filter, which I'll splice into the rubber return line. After that, it's figure out the radiator hoses, fill everything up with their specific fluids, add 6 gallons of premium to the tank...And try to start it up.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 06:55 PM   #48
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Well, I determined that the stock Mustang mechanical fan was not going to work. It's too big, and actually hangs down below the lower radiator tank. So, it's time to think electric.

Went to Scrap Busters and loaded up a wheelbarrow full of fans. I got a Contour dual fan, two 3.8L Taurus fans, and two T-Bird (3.8L & 4.6L) fans. The Taurus fan could work with some Hack Fab'n to the shroud. Here's what I was thinking: Taurus fan, CJ shroud:


Put them both together:


Looks factory. There would be a bunch of trimming to the Taurus shroud, and then some 'filler', either vinyl or rubber, to bridge the gaps. But it might work. But it's a real power hog.

The T-Bird fans are 18" fans. Way too big for my 16" radiator core. But I bet they really move the air.

Now comes the Contour fan:




Damn that's sexy! And only a minimum of trimming:






It slid into my Extreme 4-row radiator (core has been offset 3/8"). And fits 'like a glove'.


I'm researching both the DCcontroller and the SPAL controller. But right now I've got the fan torn down for cleaning, some additional trimming, and Hack Fab'n up the mounts.

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Old April 28th, 2008, 11:17 AM   #49
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I'm researching both the DCcontroller and the SPAL controller. But right now I've got the fan torn down for cleaning, some additional trimming, and Hack Fab'n up the mounts.
I run the FK35 from DC Control with my taurus fan. it will take a while to get the controller but it is well worth it. it works flawlessly and is painfully simple to wire up. very nice guy and always responded to my emails pretty quick.
he is a one man show so it takes longer and people bitch. my temp stays regulated very well even in hot weather in stop and go traffic. I would recommend that controller. you aren't far from me if you want to see the controller in person let me know.
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Yeah, I'm just down Warren Road. My son has a house on Cowan, so I'm over in the area quite a bit.

I've read the same about the Delta Current Controllers: That they are the best, but you got to be patient.

I ordered the FK35 and a few 'accessories' on 4/28. His web site says ten business days. But from all the bitchin' I've read, it'll probably be longer.

Unfortunately, he (Brian) has only responded to one of my emails. I know he probably gets a thousand emails a week. Most from 'lookers', not buyers, I imagine. I'd really like to know when he might be building/shipping my stuff. What I really wanted to purchase was the entire setup (other than the fan) that he puts on the Contour dual fan. It looks like he's got a line of Ford connectors to make an integral harness all the way to the fans. But, he hasn't gotten back to me in the last four days. So I just ordered everything that I think I will need....And now I wait. I'll try sending him another email this evening from the same email address as my PayPal account. Perhaps he'll respond to that, since he's got my money.

It was the same way with Ryan at RJM Technologies when I ordered my 5.0L harness. He's also 'impossible' to get into any sort of 'discussion' with. But his products are worth it, IMO.

Obviously, neither one of them are producing these products as their primary source of income.
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Yeah, I'm just down Warren Road. My son has a house on Cowan, so I'm over in the area quite a bit.

I've read the same about the Delta Current Controllers: That they are the best, but you got to be patient.

I ordered the FK35 and a few 'accessories' on 4/28. His web site says ten business days. But from all the bitchin' I've read, it'll probably be longer.

Unfortunately, he (Brian) has only responded to one of my emails. I know he probably gets a thousand emails a week. Most from 'lookers', not buyers, I imagine. I'd really like to know when he might be building/shipping my stuff. What I really wanted to purchase was the entire setup (other than the fan) that he puts on the Contour dual fan. It looks like he's got a line of Ford connectors to make an integral harness all the way to the fans. But, he hasn't gotten back to me in the last four days. So I just ordered everything that I think I will need....And now I wait. I'll try sending him another email this evening from the same email address as my PayPal account. Perhaps he'll respond to that, since he's got my money.

It was the same way with Ryan at RJM Technologies when I ordered my 5.0L harness. He's also 'impossible' to get into any sort of 'discussion' with. But his products are worth it, IMO.

Obviously, neither one of them are producing these products as their primary source of income.
agreed i think it is an on the side job for them. I waited iirc about 4.5 weeks to get my fk35. it will come, just need to be patient. in regards to the emails, there are two, sales@ and support@, I would cc my emails to both addresses. from my discussions with him he seems like a person who gets irritated with impatients. after all the good things I read I was willing to wait. glad I did.

the best thing is that on the fk35 is you can wire it up for override but will automatically come back on if you forget to click the switch back to on. since the controller temp adjustments work off jumper pins he explained how to wire the override with some wire and a small switch. no power, the switch just controls which jumpers are activated. in the off position it raises the fan on temp. the same switch controls the full blast option.
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 03:33 PM   #52
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I can wait, because it is the product I want to use on my project. But even I have my time constraints/deadlines.

Rant on:
I don't consider a customer that's inquiring about a shipping date to be impatient. Or someone that's sent numerous emails inquiring about a product they would like to purchase as being impatient, because of no replies. Not in todays economy when you've got to watch every dollar you spend.

Trust me, I've had vehicles tied up for months in 'Good Shops', with only 'Soon' as an answer when I ask when they might get it done. That's not how you treat your customers. I don't care who you are, what you make, or how good you (supposedly) are. I'm an adult; treat me with some respect, be honest with me, and don't screw me over. Otherwise you get what you give. Tenfold.
Rant off.

SPAL is coming out with a new version of their PWM controller. A Version #3 or V3. Supposed to ship in June, but I couldn't find any technical information on their website. It's priced at $120, but A1 Electric has a pre-sale price of $99 if ordered by May 11.

If the Delta Current item doesn't show up by the middle of June, I'll order from SPAL.

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Old June 23rd, 2008, 07:54 AM   #53
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Well, the Delta Current Controller was a no go. If anyone is interested as why, send me a PM and I'll tell you the 'story'.

So... Flex-A-Lite to the rescue. Their new controller will work with fans up to 35amp continuous draw. More than enough for my dual Contour fans, and probably enough to run a 3.8L Taurus fan. Here's some pics of the install:


Mounting the controller:


Wiring/placement of the 30amp Maxi fuse for the controller (other is main power fuse):


The FAL controller uses a regular temp probe, which I could insert into the water neck on the 5.0L:


Routing the switch wires:


A bit of conduit to finish it off:


Switch and lights mounted:


The controller will allow for an 'Always Off' and an 'Always On' position. It works by grounding the unit. I wired it to a DPDT switch with a yellow light for 'On', and a red light for 'Off'.

The FAL controller uses PWM to soft start the fan. It basically 'hits the motors' with a brief pulse of voltage to get them started, then gradually brings up the power. No need for relays. Downside: It makes a 'rattling' sound when it first starts. I don't think with the engine running, that I will ever hear it.

I also got the radiator hoses fitted, dumped three gallons of coolant in, and I'm just about ready to attempt an engine start.

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Old July 5th, 2008, 01:51 PM   #54
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And now it's dead.....

I got is started. And had it running. I actually did this four times... Now it won't start. However.... It sounded really good! Probably something easy (naw, probably something expensive). But for now I'm having :


And a lotta:


Tomorrow I'll toss something to the Jeep God... Probably my neighbor's barking-ass dog....
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Old July 5th, 2008, 07:41 PM   #55
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Old July 8th, 2008, 12:17 PM   #56
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Awesome thread, looks great, good luck with the engine
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Old July 16th, 2008, 08:22 PM   #57
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Took a week to diagnose the problem: Bad pickup in the TFI distributor. And since the Ford design is such a gem, you've got to remove the dizzy from the engine, drive a pin out of the gear, press the gear off... All so you can pull the shaft out and get at the stator/pickup. I dropped $170 at NAPA for a new stator and TFI module (old one checked out, but I'm gun shy...). Put it all back together, and IT RUNS!!!!

I hope... Anyway, it's started more than the four times it did previously. I got the timing set, but now the power steering pump is growling at me. Probably has a bunch of air in the system, since everything is either new or rebuilt...

The FAL controller on the Contour fans, starts them up at 164*, so I'll need to adjust it to closer to 180*, but I'm happy with it's operation. Even runs for a brief period after shut down to cool things down.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 08:43 PM   #58
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I changed my pickup in my mopar 360 at the dunes. I was loosing spark.... I could see it on my laptop that it would drop to 0rpm than shoot up. This would cause the injectors not to fire. Sooo I had to pull the dist. drive a pin out, and do exactly what you did. Not fun. But didn't take long.... and yeah that didin't fix the problem lol.

I like your build though... awsome detail work! GREAT ENGINE!!!
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Old July 18th, 2008, 05:13 AM   #59
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Thanks! Unfortunately, the engine has developed a coolant leak. It's somewhere in the rear. I'm hoping it's the lower intake and all I need to do is re-torque it....
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Old July 18th, 2008, 05:41 AM   #60
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Nice little restore you got there. Look forward to seeing it done and painted. It's looking good this far.
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