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Old August 25th, 2007, 07:54 PM   #21
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never use bosch plugs they are horible try a set of champions and then check you fuel pressure
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Xeleventy kabillion.

Quit screwing around with everything else, and check the pump and filter. :miff:
I know thats not it. Its running RICH. haha
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Old August 25th, 2007, 10:29 PM   #23
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I just put a new Temperture sensor in it. It was completely riped apart. I thnk thats why it was running rich. I can't really tell if its running rich still because its dark out. But does anyone know what the sensor behind the alternator is that goes into the block is? Its a one wire sensor. I don't have electric fans and the fans not a clutch. So its not another temperture sensor. I think its the temperture sending unit that tells the guage what the temperture is but im not sure. Autozone didnt know eithier.
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I dont think it could be the Cat because it was runningfine then all the sudden it fell on its face.
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Old August 25th, 2007, 10:29 PM   #25
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hey AJ , check and make sure ur Thermostat sending unit isnt broken or cracked. My truck had the same symptoms as urs and that's what fixed mine.
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Old August 25th, 2007, 10:30 PM   #26
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I just out Champion plugs in it today!!.
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Old August 25th, 2007, 11:36 PM   #27
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bosch are still horrible plugs they can cause some strang driveability issues on there own. If you temp sensor was reading wrong it could richen it way out and with how warm it has been probly enough to cause a missfire.
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Old August 26th, 2007, 08:53 AM   #28
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I know my ZJ's had 2 temp sensors. One for the gauge and one to the computer. Don't remember which is which though.
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Old August 26th, 2007, 10:02 AM   #29
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Yeah I put bosch plugs in my truck and drove it straight to autozone since the guy there swore by them and made him watch me take them back out of my truck and give me the duralast equivilent to champs. Those seem to be working ok. Oh yeah and Cats can just all of a sudden fall apart so dont rule that out. Your problem is not a lack of fuel problem either. Get the desent plugs in there, make sure all your wires are good. Double check the cap and rotor. Do see if your truck dies with the battery disconnected. If your truck is not running right though that can create a charging issue too. I have a couple cases where the truck just need a new coil wit these symptoms and have had a few that need an alternator or fuse for the alternator. you also need to check your oil. Just change it and see if there is any gas in it. Odds are very good that the intake gaskits are leaking since they all do and if its bad enought this could also be your problem. Dont you love working on cars?
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Yeah I put bosch plugs in my truck and drove it straight to autozone since the guy there swore by them and made him watch me take them back out of my truck and give me the duralast equivilent to champs. Those seem to be working ok. Oh yeah and Cats can just all of a sudden fall apart so dont rule that out. Your problem is not a lack of fuel problem either. Get the desent plugs in there, make sure all your wires are good. Double check the cap and rotor. Do see if your truck dies with the battery disconnected. If your truck is not running right though that can create a charging issue too. I have a couple cases where the truck just need a new coil wit these symptoms and have had a few that need an alternator or fuse for the alternator. you also need to check your oil. Just change it and see if there is any gas in it. Odds are very good that the intake gaskits are leaking since they all do and if its bad enought this could also be your problem. Dont you love working on cars?


Yep, its a pain in the ass. But i love it.lol. Yea I pulled the positve wire off and the truck was still running. Put a new alternator on it. Put Champion plugs in it. Put new wires, distributor cap, and distrbutor rotor. But when I was doing the temperture sensor I found another sensor behind the alternator that goes into the block. I ahve no clue what it is? I think maybe is the Teperture Sending Unit. Because my temperture guage reads nothing.lol. Maybe its not talking right with the computer and making it run weird.
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bosch are still horrible plugs they can cause some strang driveability issues on there own. If you temp sensor was reading wrong it could richen it way out and with how warm it has been probly enough to cause a missfire.
Yea I know I thought they were good. Guess looks and advertiseing looks isnt what I should go by.lol. Yea I put Champions in it now.
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Old August 26th, 2007, 10:49 AM   #32
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Dude! Dodges run best on champoins!!! I've tried others and I always go back to the champs.
And if you are really tired of dealing with this I know a great mechanic that very good at diagnotics(i'm not god at spelling)He's in Allegan
Trying to help!
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dry gas, try it may got water in the fuel system from offroading.
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Old August 26th, 2007, 11:12 AM   #34
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I had the same problem in my mustang after i hit a curb....as it turns out my fuel pump was bad. Hard starting, Bogs down at high rpms, and a goofy check engine light were all symptons i had.
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I know thats not it. Its running RICH. haha

What in your vast deductive reasoning and troubleshooting skills did you use to decide that?

Because you have some fouled plugs??

Dood, quit using the shotgun approach of trying to fix stuff and check your pump and filter.
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A 97 I think is new enough to use only one temp sensor for both the pcm and gauges It would be under the A/C compressor(or in that area) into the intake. you would might see it wile changing a alternator it you temp gauge doesnt work and you saw a broken sender i would fix that first as it is a known problem. I forgot to plug the temp sensor in on mine when i put it back together and it ran like crap
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What in your vast deductive reasoning and troubleshooting skills did you use to decide that?

Because you have some fouled plugs??

Dood, quit using the shotgun approach of trying to fix stuff and check your pump and filter.
Well even when I put new plugs in it, after I let off the crank a bunch of dark gas smelling smoke comes out of the trottle body(had the ari cleaner off of the tuck). Also when ot starts it blows dark smoke everywhere out th back.
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A 97 I think is new enough to use only one temp sensor for both the pcm and gauges It would be under the A/C compressor(or in that area) into the intake. you would might see it wile changing a alternator it you temp gauge doesnt work and you saw a broken sender i would fix that first as it is a known problem. I forgot to plug the temp sensor in on mine when i put it back together and it ran like crap
Ye athe other broken sensor was the sending unit. I fixed it but still have no guage. I think I just have to push it on better.lol.
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OK EVERYONE. The truck is fixed.lol. It was the coil. We pulled it off because we had no other options. The whole bottom of it was like ruste and cracked and stuff. So we put a new one on and it runs great now. WE didnt think it was the coil because it had good spark. But all the stuff I replaced was bad anyways. soo. But Thank You to everyone. I appreciate it veryyyyyyyyy much. Thanks for takeing time out of your day to help.
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thank you for posting what it really was.
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