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Old August 6th, 2007, 03:08 PM   #21
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So do you think that Home schoolers and Private Schools should not be able to teach about Christianity either?
Actually he's saying the opposite...that if you believe that public schools are teaching things that are against your beliefs (evolution is usually the major one here), then home school your children and teach them what is part of your beliefs.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 03:12 PM   #22
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Actually he's saying the opposite...that if you believe that public schools are teaching things that are against your beliefs (evolution is usually the major one here), then home school your children and teach them what is part of your beliefs.
Okay, I can agree with that,........but can I have the tax money I paid for the public school, to use toward the private school?
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Old August 6th, 2007, 03:15 PM   #23
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Okay, I can agree with that,........but can I have the tax money I paid for the public school, to use toward the private school?
There is also a third option. Inform your children what part of their curriculum you feel is against your beliefs, then allow them to form their own opinion, and choose on their own what to believe and what not to believe.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 03:21 PM   #24
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There is also a third option. Inform your children what part of their curriculum you feel is against your beliefs, then allow them to form their own opinion, and choose on their own what to believe and what not to believe.
Okay, lets turn this around,......lets say if someone doesn't believe in Christianity, where are their children going to get the oportunity to learn about it to make their own decision, if Christianity can not be talked about in the public schools? It's a two edge sword hear.

Why don't you guys just get together and kill all of us Christians, then you don't have to worry about it anymore.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 03:22 PM   #25
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If you have a son, and he has defied you in any way... You are instructed by the bible, to stone your child to death. I've read the bible, and it's very easy to tear it apart and show how racist, sexist, violent, and full of stories.
This is also Old Testament. The son sinned and was punished by the father as instructed by the Old Testament. Jesus came and dies for our sins, so this is not the case in the New Testament.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 03:28 PM   #26
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Okay, lets turn this around,......lets say if someone doesn't believe in Christianity, where are their children going to get the oportunity to learn about it to make their own decision, if Christianity can not be talked about in the public schools? It's a two edge sword hear.

Why don't you guys just get together and kill all of us Christians, then you don't have to worry about it anymore.
In that case, I don't have the answer. Usually, someone who doesn't believe will have an opportunity to make their own choice later in life, as they interact with society. So in a sense, you're right. It is a double edged blade.

And whats with the comment about killing Christians? If I've said or implied at any point that I have a problem with Christians, or any other religion for that matter, other than to lament the image the loud minority portrays, please let me know. In fact, I have no problem with religion being taught in school. The problem there with creationism, is that it's proponents want it taught as fact, in a science class. If you want to bring creationism into public schools, do it as a religious class. That would also give those that decide that evolution is against their beliefs somewhere to go.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 04:44 PM   #27
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In that case, I don't have the answer. Usually, someone who doesn't believe will have an opportunity to make their own choice later in life, as they interact with society. So in a sense, you're right. It is a double edged blade.

And whats with the comment about killing Christians? If I've said or implied at any point that I have a problem with Christians, or any other religion for that matter, other than to lament the image the loud minority portrays, please let me know. In fact, I have no problem with religion being taught in school. The problem there with creationism, is that it's proponents want it taught as fact, in a science class. If you want to bring creationism into public schools, do it as a religious class. That would also give those that decide that evolution is against their beliefs somewhere to go.

Well said, my comment retracted.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 04:59 PM   #28
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there is no way to prove who is wrong here till we are all dead.
so lets get to it
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Old August 6th, 2007, 05:29 PM   #29
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there is no way to prove who is wrong here till we are all dead.
so lets get to it

Eh...I'm not in any great rush to find out what lies beyond, whether it be a lovely afterlife, or a long nap in a wood box. I think I can wait to find out, ya know? 'Sides, whats the point of life, if you have all the answers?
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Old August 6th, 2007, 06:13 PM   #30
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I think you all should check out the creation vs evolution videos on youtube by Kent Hovind. whether you believe him or not, it gives you some things to think about on both sides. I personally think both theories are unprovable. Evolution should only be taught from the basis of following the scientific method. Seeking the truth is what should be taught. Creationism is nice and all, but it doesn't lead to the search for truth whether its true or not.
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I think you all should check out the creation vs evolution videos on youtube by Kent Hovind. whether you believe him or not, it gives you some things to think about on both sides. I personally think both theories are unprovable. Evolution should only be taught from the basis of following the scientific method. Seeking the truth is what should be taught. Creationism is nice and all, but it doesn't lead to the search for truth whether its true or not.
Thats another thing that bothers me, that evolution is taught as fact a lot of the time. I was one of the lucky ones that had a teacher that taught it as a theory, as opposed to proven fact. She explained to us that there is a lot of evidence for it, but no irrevocable proof.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 06:21 PM   #32
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heh, this chic is getting most of her bases covered from Kent Hovind's material.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 06:47 PM   #33
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Eh...I'm not in any great rush to find out what lies beyond, whether it be a lovely afterlife, or a long nap in a wood box. I think I can wait to find out, ya know? 'Sides, whats the point of life, if you have all the answers?
no, all the answers now:tonka:
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Old August 6th, 2007, 07:33 PM   #34
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Okay, lets turn this around,......lets say if someone doesn't believe in Christianity, where are their children going to get the oportunity to learn about it to make their own decision, if Christianity can not be talked about in the public schools? It's a two edge sword hear.
While I cannot comment on this exact example, I can do the next best thing. Most children are brought up in a religion, be it of Christian origin, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or any other. They go to mosk/church/temple/etc. And there they are taught on their religion. Aside from that History classes in school teach about (bout it, but not the actual religion and all it's beliefs, just a basis) all religions, or at least the majority of them. While a lot of kids for a period in their life may be rebellious and call themselves atheist, or agnostic, or whatever. Some go back to what they were raised as for personal reasons. Other change to another religion based on curiosity, or after looking into it.


"If you want to bring creationism into public schools, do it as a religious class. That would also give those that decide that evolution is against their beliefs somewhere to go."


That I can completely agree with. Also, yes, I believe if you are not taking your child to public school an instead homeschooling them, why pay public school taxes. But one other point I just realized, and I would like to completely change something I have said.


Include religion as a class in school one for each major religion, an elective course though, not mandatory. Keep science, so children can have an opportunity to learn of both in the same setting, not risk being outcasts by never being in a public school environment as a teenager. I have nothing against religion and religious people. I was raised as a Roman Catholic... I just don't approve of having one religion like Christianity thinking that there aren't other people out there that may not agree with them. I understand that if you are a practicing Christian you believe your religion IS the right one. But I doubt many or even some Christians have taken the time to study EVERY religion before choosing Christianity, they are just born into it and don't question anything. That, I personally think is the wrong thing to do.
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While I cannot comment on this exact example, I can do the next best thing. Most children are brought up in a religion, be it of Christian origin, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or any other. They go to mosk/church/temple/etc. And there they are taught on their religion. Aside from that History classes in school teach about (bout it, but not the actual religion and all it's beliefs, just a basis) all religions, or at least the majority of them. While a lot of kids for a period in their life may be rebellious and call themselves atheist, or agnostic, or whatever. Some go back to what they were raised as for personal reasons. Other change to another religion based on curiosity, or after looking into it.


"If you want to bring creationism into public schools, do it as a religious class. That would also give those that decide that evolution is against their beliefs somewhere to go."


That I can completely agree with. Also, yes, I believe if you are not taking your child to public school an instead homeschooling them, why pay public school taxes. But one other point I just realized, and I would like to completely change something I have said.


Include religion as a class in school one for each major religion, an elective course though, not mandatory. Keep science, so children can have an opportunity to learn of both in the same setting, not risk being outcasts by never being in a public school environment as a teenager. I have nothing against religion and religious people. I was raised as a Roman Catholic... I just don't approve of having one religion like Christianity thinking that there aren't other people out there that may not agree with them. I understand that if you are a practicing Christian you believe your religion IS the right one. But I doubt many or even some Christians have taken the time to study EVERY religion before choosing Christianity, they are just born into it and don't question anything. That, I personally think is the wrong thing to do.
cant find anything wrong with what you have said here, from any angle i look.
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