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Old August 1st, 2007, 08:31 PM   #1
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Default Herculiner VS Durabak

I searched, found some info (most on how herculiner sucks teh cack...not much on durabak). It seems as this has been touched on, but never fully answered...so here it goes:

Which is better - durabak or herculiner?? Not talking looks, don't care how bad it fades, I'm talking durability.

I've herculined the bed/rockers on my ranger twice now within 3 years. The second time I did it was because I did my bumpers for the first time and had the herculiner left over. My experience with it is this: It sucks. Period. The crap fades within two/three months in the weather - not a big deal to me. What is more of a big deal is the fact that the shit doesn't adhere well and isn't durable - there spots where it's come off my front bumper from a years worth of highway driving (the spots where it's obvious the wind flows over it more so than other spots). In the bed it worked OK, but doesn't hold up to much.

So, now my bed/rockers are in need of more liner. I'm not doing herculiner ever again...In a perfect world, I'd have the $$ to get it line-x'd, but being a broke college kid I don't have the 500 bucks for that. So, who's used Durabak and how well did it work?? What about application - spray vs. roll/brush...and prep work info as well.....when I did my herculiner for the first time I spent a whole day sanding and priming and following the instructions to a T. Can I put the durabak over the herculiner that did adhear, or should I pull it off???

Basically, is the durabak worth the 110 bucks or should I save another couple hundred and just line-x it and be done??
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Old August 1st, 2007, 10:35 PM   #2
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From what I hear its all in the way you prep the surface your putting it on. Wire wheel it, grind it, clean it off like hell, let it dry and make sure the surface is absolutely perfect, then your supposed to put 3 coats on. (This is herculiner BTW).

I saw a guy at the What Lies Beyond 4x4 show who had his entire tub on his Jeep Herculined, and it looked pretty awesome, and it was not peeling or faded..

If it lasts a year for me, thats more then worth it. I'm not paying $500 or $550 for line-x to coat it.. thats ridiculous.



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Old August 1st, 2007, 11:39 PM   #3
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I have had durabak on the entire outside of my Jeep for 8 years.

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Old August 1st, 2007, 11:43 PM   #4
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I have had durabak on the entire outside of my Jeep for 8 years.
Is that just putting it on once? How many coats did you use? How'd you prep your Jeep beforehand?


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Old August 2nd, 2007, 10:33 AM   #5
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It's like 3 coats. Only put it on once. Scrub it with a scrub brush and some TSP and it looks new.

Prep is the key. Everything gets scuffed and scrubbed down with xylene. Yes, xylene...it can sometimes be hard to find, but it is what the directions say to use. So I did it and never had a delamination problem. Laid the Jeep over on it's side and onto a tree and mashed in the cowl and didn't scrape it off.

It sticks to everything, scuffed paint, primer, body filler, plastic, stainless steel. it stuck to everything I put it on that was prepped and to stuff that wasn't prepped like my leg and arms.

Buddy of mine did the lower half of his CJ green. He used mineral spirits and brake clean for the wipe down. You could peal it off in sheets. Use xylene.
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can u shoot that through a regular spra gun?
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 12:29 PM   #7
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can u shoot that through a regular spra gun?
No, you have to use some large hole kinda gun...maybe an undercoating gun? The texture is not dependent on how far away you are from the surface like linex, rhino, duplicolor, etc....it has ground up tires in it for the texture. It is very rough...if you tried the Dukes of Hazzard slide you would come back with a few pounds less of ass meat.
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And FWIW I did herc inside a Jeep tub and prepped the shit the way the directions say and it flaked in several areas. Not everywhere, just anywhere there was any heat.
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 06:19 PM   #9
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And FWIW I did herc inside a Jeep tub and prepped the shit the way the directions say and it flaked in several areas. Not everywhere, just anywhere there was any heat.
This is what I'm finding with mine...especially in the bed where the exhaust runs under it.

With Herculiner I did put more than one coat on (hell, the first time I used a whole gallon to do my bed and ended up with 3 plus eneough to do to rocker). I also used Xylene for the final wipe, and like everyone has said it comes out looking great (which doesn't last as it fades unless you put the UV protectant on it.) My issue is the fact that it flakes off.
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My herculiner is a couple months old and with 3 coats Its on there so good its a bitch to get it cleaned off If I need to.

Prep is everything with this stuff
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My herculiner is a couple months old and with 3 coats Its on there so good its a bitch to get it cleaned off If I need to.

Prep is everything with this stuff
why do people not understand me when I say I prepped it 110%??? I not only wire wheeled all the paint/primer off the bed, but I also sanded it with 250 grit paper, blew the bed out with compressed air, and then proceeded to wipe it down twice with the xylene. The herculiner stuff holds up well for a short period of time, but I'm telling you that after more than a year/two years of the stuff being on there it simply deteriorates...I know I'm not the only one who has experienced this either as I've read other posts on here commenting the same thing.

Which, in turn is why I want to know if durabak does the same thing - but muddypaws has pretty much proven that it does not.
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 06:57 PM   #12
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I also used the durabak on the outside of my Bronco but I used the smooth stuff. I used a air under coating spray gun that you can get a HF for about $20. Using the spray gun it does still give it a textured look but not as rough as the normal bedliner stuff. Be sure to get it with the UV protectant, mine did not have the UV protectant in it and it is faded some. As mentioned befor it does hold up well to trees. The only time I damaged it was when I rolled it or dragged it against rocks hard.
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Not to change the subject, If you guys want the stuff to look new after a good thrashing and or mud baptizm wash it off with soap and water then shoot it with Gunk Engine Detailer no wipe off after and its not greasy. Looks like the day you rolled it on. By the way I have herculiner throughout the tub, the back corners and the rock rails sticks on pretty good despite a power washing once, twice a month. I followed the instrunctions to the T.
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Yea....I shoot mine with tire foam and all kinds of stuff like that. Man does it shine.
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 09:48 PM   #15
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What's your oppinion on using the Durabak for coating my flatbed trailer with? Starting to get surface rust on it and want to protect it and keep the trailer around for quite a while. Becides I need to install new fenders on it and need to do something afterwards.









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Old August 2nd, 2007, 10:26 PM   #16
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Well, it was originally designed and used for aircraft carrier decks and ship stairs. Just don't spin your tires on it.

I don't know how it sticks to wood.
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