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Old July 12th, 2007, 12:00 AM   #1
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U.S. intel warns al-Qaida has rebuilt

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070712/..._terror_threat
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Old July 12th, 2007, 11:19 AM   #2
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I don't really consider this to be new information. Al-Qaida has been in Pakistan since long before 9/11 and a lot more migrated there after 9/11. We haven't moved on them out of fear of repercussions to the Pak gov't. Their government is barely holding on to power now. If the government there is overthrown because it allowed the US to bomb terrorist camps, then the said terrorists(that survived) and angry citizens would revolt and gain instant access to Pakistan's Nuke's. Not good.

They have been walking a thin line there for a while, unfortunately it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Eventually the government is going to be overthrown and guess who will be in charge then?

Not many people follow Pakistan's troubles because the press is too busy laying blame for Iraq and trying to convince us all how racist we are for not wanting 12 million illegal immigrants getting citizenship and government assistance.

Would you rather have Bush give the OK to bomb the hell out of them and take the risk? I would, but I'm not sure our wonderful congress would ever give him the authorization. At least until the next attack here, then all bets are off.

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http://threatswatch.org/

Threats watch always has a lot of info on Pakistan, none of it is pretty.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 05:34 PM   #3
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And the Commander-In-Chief's role in this effort is????

Basically, you have areas of Pakistan that are under al-qaida control.

The Pakis won't take action, or when they do they're so compromised that there's no element of surprise. They won't let us take action because the Paki leadership (friendly to the U.S.) only has a tenuous hold on power and is afraid they'd lose it if we took action.

So if Algore or Kerry were C-I-C what would be different?

I don't agree with everything Dubya has done, but the President really only has fairly limited powers.
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I don't agree with everything Dubya has done, but the President really only is supposed to have fairly limited powers.


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Bush, has strong armed his way into eliminating way too many civil rights, as well as having spent hundreds of billions on a war that for years has proven to be another unwinnable vietnam, that is not only lacking support of the voters he could care less about, but increasingly his own party as well.

McCain has learned all to well, that his allegiance to this effort will no longer win him any votes, or campaign funds so many years after 9/11. Sad to say, another wake up call on our own soil is probably the only thing that can save McCain's efforts, or at face value "redeem" bush's efforts.

in reality, for all of the windbaggedness, and billions spent, and young men/women killed in action, we are no more safe, and arguably less safe than prior to 9/11

and no, I am not a democrat sack rider, and shudder to think of how badly we'd be off if gore were in office - knowing that in theory bush is/was the lesser of two evils however does not excuse, or exonerate the state that he will leave this country in when he finally vacates office.
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Bush, has strong armed his way into eliminating way too many civil rights, as well as having spent hundreds of billions on a war that for years has proven to be another unwinnable vietnam, that is not only lacking support of the voters he could care less about, but increasingly his own party as well.

McCain has learned all to well, that his allegiance to this effort will no longer win him any votes, or campaign funds so many years after 9/11. Sad to say, another wake up call on our own soil is probably the only thing that can save McCain's efforts, or at face value "redeem" bush's efforts.

in reality, for all of the windbaggedness, and billions spent, and young men/women killed in action, we are no more safe, and arguably less safe than prior to 9/11

and no, I am not a democrat sack rider, and shudder to think of how badly we'd be off if gore were in office - knowing that in theory bush is/was the lesser of two evils however does not excuse, or exonerate the state that he will leave this country in when he finally vacates office.
McCain's funds are drying up because he co-sponsored the Amnesty Bill, not because he supports the Iraq war. All of the Republican front runners support the war effort (as you should).

Bush as made a lot of mistakes, but I wouldn't say the country is worse off because of him directly. Less safe? No, we haven't been safe for a long time. More aware that we aren't safe? Yes. Should we be safer than we are? Yes. I'd blame congress as much as the executive branch. Nothing is getting done in DC everyone is to blame.

You are swallowing the liberal media's B.S.: What civil rights have you lost in the last 6 years? The Republician's who are removing their support(all 6 of them) are coming up for election next year and know that the majority of the public has turned it's back on the war. They want to be re-elected, they aren't doing it out of principle.
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Bush, has strong armed his way into eliminating way too many civil rights, as well as having spent hundreds of billions on a war that for years has proven to be another unwinnable vietnam, that is not only lacking support of the voters he could care less about, but increasingly his own party as well.
Seriously, name one eliminated civil right.

Remember: non-U.S. citizens / enemy combatants do not have constitutional rights.

"Unwinnable VietNam"?

Maybe.

What we proved in VietNam is that we can't nation build somewhere the locals don't want us to. Iraq seems to be confirming this.

That's the difference between the first gulf war and this one - clarity of mission. And that's the administration's problem: failure to (before going in) clearly define the mission.

It isn't "Bush lied, kids died" - like every leader from George Washington onwards, he acted on intelligence. Intelligence is at best, partial, flawed information.

"No WMDs were found". Bull - WMDs and WMD components were found. Not an assembled nuke, but stuff like: 500 tons ...make that 1 million pounds of yellow cake uranium. It was found at Saddam's nuclear weapons facility (yup...he had one of those too.)

-1.8 tons of partially enriched uranium found at the same place. You know, the stuff you need to make nukes.

-Hidden centrifuge parts and blueprints.

-Two dozen artillery shells loaded with Sarin and mustard gas.

However, there's still not a clear definition of scope (i.e. what's "done" look like).
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"Unwinnable VietNam"?

Maybe.

What we proved in VietNam is that we can't nation build somewhere the locals don't want us to. Iraq seems to be confirming this.





"No WMDs were found". Bull - WMDs and WMD components were found. Not an assembled nuke, but stuff like: 500 tons ...make that 1 million pounds of yellow cake uranium. It was found at Saddam's nuclear weapons facility (yup...he had one of those too.)

-1.8 tons of partially enriched uranium found at the same place. You know, the stuff you need to make nukes.

-Hidden centrifuge parts and blueprints.

-Two dozen artillery shells loaded with Sarin and mustard gas.

However, there's still not a clear definition of scope (i.e. what's "done" look like).
it takes a while for countries to be re-established. look at vietnam now. it's safe, and quickly turning into a vacationing hot spot. our country sacrificed a lot, but we didnt lose.


thank you for pointing out the obvious, wmd's were all over in iraq. the media tricked everyone into thinking that nothing was found. the report is out there on some government website. all 1700 pages of it, and there is a list a mile long of what was found.


twenty years from now bush will be looked at as a good president, who got things done.
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