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Old July 7th, 2007, 10:07 AM   #1
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Another nightmare for us ATVer's

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New business motorcycle trail petition --
Chairman Ranney thanked mr. Magowan for submitting the petition and request for a Director's Order to preserve motorcycle only trails. Mr. Debrabander noted the department's recognition of designated motorcycle trails. Last month, FMFM's management team directed the trail analysts to evaluate the trails and make recommendations to identify trails that should continue to be maintained for motorcycle only protected by Director's order----------------------------------------------------------

I sent a letter to Dicks office.. We discussed the above at the last ORV board meeting and i do not support any of it.. What is happening is that the cyclists want a Directors Order to make it illegal for anything except a dirtbike to be able to access a 24 inch trail [many marked 24 inch trails are 50 inches wide and can fit an atv on it] ..If you are caught on a marked 24 inch trail that is wide enough to fit your atv thru it--you will be issued a citation for being on it with anything except a dirtbike. The only way i will support any of this bs is if the cyclist are also prepared to be issued a citation if they are caught riding on any trail that is not a 24 inch trail. Currently, a dirtbike rider can access 24 inch trails, 50 inch trails, and orv routes [the entire orv trail system].. If they want a Directors Order for their own exclusive trails, they better be prepared to stay on only a 24 inch trail with their dirtbikes or pay the same citation that ATVer's would have to pay for riding on a marked 24 inch trail that is wide enough for a atv.---period!

Get your letters and phone calls out to Dick and the Forest Management team ASAP..

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Old July 7th, 2007, 03:50 PM   #2
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50" ORV trails in this state get two big ruts in them because of all the damn sand. It's kind of a pita for dirt bikes to enjoy the trails that way. I don't see the problem with bikes having their own trails. I also don't see how the bikes will harm the 50" trails if they want to ride on them.

Also most of the bike only trails have a MUCH smaller footprint on the land.

Am I missing something?
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Old July 7th, 2007, 04:59 PM   #3
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as it is right now the Bike only trails that are wide enough to accept ATVs are legal for them to ride, the bikes can ride all of the michigan systems 24",50" & 72" as it is the group is trying make it illegal for us ATvers to go where we already can. seems like bullshit to me since by law 24" trails do not exist on the books in michigan, there is only 50" and 72" by law.
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Old July 7th, 2007, 08:36 PM   #4
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The 2 ruts that an ATV make shouldn't harm a cycle. They tend to ride right down the middle. I see no harm done to a single track trail as long as the wider vehicle can get down it.

I agree, they shouldn't have their own system.

On the flip side... ... they could be setting a good precident for us full size groups.........

We want trails that are specific to our needs. With a precident set, it may give us more leverage.
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Old July 7th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #5
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Another case of "divide and conquer" - one of the anti's most effective tactics.

Pit dirt bikers against ATVers. ATVers against UTVers. UTVers against fullsizers, snowmobilers against everyone, etc...

The same thing's going on between fly and bait fisherman, then you get "catch and release fly only" areas, etc...

Bow hunters vs. gun hunters, gun hunters vs. muzzleloaders.

Any time they succeed in dividing people engaged in similar pursuits (instead of allowing them to band together a la the NRA) they reduce our overall power.
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Old July 22nd, 2007, 08:56 PM   #6
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as it is right now the Bike only trails that are wide enough to accept ATVs are legal for them to ride, the bikes can ride all of the michigan systems 24",50" & 72" as it is the group is trying make it illegal for us ATvers to go where we already can. seems like bullshit to me since by law 24" trails do not exist on the books in michigan, there is only 50" and 72" by law.
As a cyclist, I can agree to keep ATV access where they already have it - I can't understand what they're hurting.

There exist some trails that shouldn't be ridden by ATVees, but I only say that for some trails, as many trees would need to be cut to allow ATV access.

For all the shit quads get from the motorcycling community, I've only seen idiot quad riders at the trailhead or evidence they were there (someone really tore up Denton Creek's parking lot using it for their personal mini-Nascar track ) - every quad I meet on the trial is courteous, traveling in a safe manner and do their best to give the right-of-way.

I've seen way more irresponsible 2-wheelers, and I've been hit head-on twice now from some spode riding too damn fast in overgrown singletrack.
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