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Old July 5th, 2007, 07:14 PM   #1
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One thing I never understood was why followers of Jesus struggle with guilt of Sin? I mean what is going on here.............

If I sin and know it I am guilty
If I sin and knew before hand I was gonna sin I am guilty
If I sin and don't know it I am still guilty( some people actually preach that crap)
And if I sin knowing I am sinning but that day I just could careless then what ?


Guilt is a Lie................God has no Guilt...Jesus has no Guilt..why should a sinner have guilt ?

What role does guilt have in a Christian's life ?
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well u just turned this in to a 15 pg thread....:dunie:
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i agree religions is totally stupids and only makes sense to the tardeds........
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Basicly you are correct................

I took the time in my life to really get to know the Jesus anyone can read about in the bible...Shit I even went to Bible College and graduated with honors........I still have not been to find ANY church that does things the way Jesus did things. I have found a few rare Christians that do as Jesus taught...but not many.

Jesus said Guilt is from Satan not from the father. I am AMAZED that Christians use the power of Guilt to put pressure on people. WTF ?
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Funny you posted this, And I am going to watch and see what answers people give on this. Because this is one question I was asking myself.
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I don't see guilt so much a Christian thing as a human thing. Guilt is just that little voice within you that tell you you did something that you shouldn't have done.
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I am a Christian. You are correct in what you say about the churches, I have also not found one that does not use guilt.
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I don't see guilt so much a Christian thing as a human thing. Guilt is just that little voice within you that tell you you did something that you shouldn't have done.

This is a good point. I gave up on the "christian" thing years ago. You DON'T need a particular religion to know when your doing something your not supposed to do. You just need live as honest of a life as you can and things will work out in the long run.
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Here is my question: If the commands of God are made clear and someone feels guity, is the feeling of guilt to be blamed on the messenger or the person committing the offence?
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I have also not found one that does not use guilt.
How hard are you looking?
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Here is my question: If the commands of God are made clear and someone feels guity, is the feeling of guilt to be blamed on the messenger or the person committing the offence?

Only a handfull fo God's commandment are made clear..........the rest are found thru studying the word, prayer and hanging with the spirt in private.

Your point of who get the blame kinda sets a red flag in my thoughts. Blamming anyone is not the point here.....Blame is part of the old finger pointing thing again. I mean the path should be top find a way out not to find whos at fault...besides 99% of the blame is found within.......so what


I have noticed over the years and through several churches the underling theme is this..............Submit to the church...Christ...or burn.....Give your moneyh to God or struggle with your cash flow, you have to buy your blessings......Get your kid baptized at birth or if your child dies before he can talk,pray make decisions. you child will burn in hell ( yes some churches says thats not true ).......GUILT is a lie..............


Jesus did not ride around and have church in a gold covered wagon with slaves carrying it...he walked everywhere is sandles and was not intrested in asking for cash. Hum.................When I studied the words of Christ the one thing I NEVER seen him do in scripture was to chastize a person and make em feel like crap...nope Jesus just love you where you were at and excepted you as you were.........No guilt. Thats why he gave us the Holy Spirit. Anyone who would take time to study the bible could plainly understand that

Thats what being born again is..........new.....the past gone.....Thats why Peter said...." I die daily "...meaning the sin in him must be turned to over to the grace of God DAILY...........There is no Guilt from God and if God Lives in a person...........................derrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrr


My conclustion is this..............The Modern Christian churh today is FUCKED up..............it is based on the very fiber of GUILT, greed and lust for power.....which in my mind..comes from Satan.....

The Church of Christ is inside you............as one poster in this thread said in his own words. Get a Bible and tell your pastor to shut the hell up and go home and read it. Dont take anyones word for it....Take the word of God


This is a very deep subject......
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I dont like the people that only believe and act right in Church. To go to Heaven you must act the same in and out of Church.

At my Church as soon as its over we get road rage in the parking lot.
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i agree religions is totally stupids and only makes sense to the tardeds........
yay i like turtles
I agree that people that put the letter S at the end of every word in a terribly scructured sentance is totally stupids and makes sense to the tardeds.......
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I agree that people that put the letter S at the end of every word in a terribly scructured sentance is totally stupids and makes sense to the tardeds.......
hey, why dont you just go back to your marajuana thread.


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hey, why dont you just go back to your marajuana thread.


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Hey- even if I did smoke dope (which I don't) I could still use english better than him. :tonka:
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Hey, even if I did smoke dope (which I don't) I could still use english better than him. :tonka:
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Only a handfull fo God's commandment are made clear..........the rest are found thru studying the word, prayer and hanging with the spirt in private.

Your point of who get the blame kinda sets a red flag in my thoughts. Blamming anyone is not the point here.....Blame is part of the old finger pointing thing again. I mean the path should be top find a way out not to find whos at fault...besides 99% of the blame is found within.......so what


I have noticed over the years and through several churches the underling theme is this..............Submit to the church...Christ...or burn.....Give your moneyh to God or struggle with your cash flow, you have to buy your blessings......Get your kid baptized at birth or if your child dies before he can talk,pray make decisions. you child will burn in hell ( yes some churches says thats not true ).......GUILT is a lie..............


Jesus did not ride around and have church in a gold covered wagon with slaves carrying it...he walked everywhere is sandles and was not intrested in asking for cash. Hum.................When I studied the words of Christ the one thing I NEVER seen him do in scripture was to chastize a person and make em feel like crap...nope Jesus just love you where you were at and excepted you as you were.........No guilt. Thats why he gave us the Holy Spirit. Anyone who would take time to study the bible could plainly understand that

Thats what being born again is..........new.....the past gone.....Thats why Peter said...." I die daily "...meaning the sin in him must be turned to over to the grace of God DAILY...........There is no Guilt from God and if God Lives in a person...........................derrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrr


My conclustion is this..............The Modern Christian churh today is FUCKED up..............it is based on the very fiber of GUILT, greed and lust for power.....which in my mind..comes from Satan.....

The Church of Christ is inside you............as one poster in this thread said in his own words. Get a Bible and tell your pastor to shut the hell up and go home and read it. Dont take anyones word for it....Take the word of God


This is a very deep subject......
I would have to conclude, without going into great detail that this is a good post.
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I dont like the people that only believe and act right in Church. To go to Heaven you must act the same in and out of Church.

At my Church as soon as its over we get road rage in the parking lot.

Thats is SO true LMAO.............I visted this church where I was a guest speaker and I meet the pastor and his wife etc....Did My thing and left. But about an hour later I realized I had forgotten all my books and study crap
So I drives back....la tee da...ho hum....do do....I see tthe pastor and his wife in the lobby getting ready to lock up..... They are screaming at each other....ABOUT MONEY............using profanity and getting all red in the face.

Guess what the preaching was about chuch that day ? you got it, family values and a little bit about verbal abuse...........LMAO

Then they praticly begged me to not say anything to anyone as it may disrupt the church.........they were leaders you know with a image and a cash flow to protect..........LOL

My eyes were begining to open................................
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Here is the thing: If someone did something wrong, they SHOULD feel they did something wrong. If I insulted someone and have no idea, I should be made aware of what happened and I should respond appropriately. If guilt was NO part of this world, there would be greater chaos.

I agree that the Christian message should not be all guilt, but you cannot remove it completely from the scene because it would undermine what Jesus did on the cross. You heard right. The gospel message, my friends, is that we (mankind), have sinned against God. There is punishment for wrongdoing, but God in his good Grace, he allows us to be forgiven through Christ's sacrifice on the cross. If we never found ourselves GUILTY, then we would never need forgiveness. If we were never guilty, then Jesus died for nothing.

I agree that guilt should not be on the forefront, but it HAS to come up.
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