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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:55 AM   #41
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dont listen to the religous bullshit. dont let another person beliefs shame you into acting in a way you dont want to.

if you dont want to, make a stand and be a man.
Perhaps one should not ask a religious question if the goal is to avoid a religious answer.

I agree on your second statement. Don't be a weasel.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:57 AM   #42
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[QUOTE=DaveKerwin;605208]No, I am suggesting he not sell out. Having fun is fine, but not at the point of forfeiting one's soul.[QUOTE]

can you give me details on how to forfeit one's soul? i have been wanting some cool new toys, and havent been getting any real use out of my soul.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:10 AM   #43
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No, I am suggesting he not sell out. Having fun is fine, but not at the point of forfeiting one's soul.

No, he can be concerned, drive a car or setup a group rental of a limo if he has safety concerns. There is no obligation to degrade yourself for the glorification of your friend's immoral pleasure.
Perhaps......

I see this as the same as any married man, kinda. See for me, I have no problem with visiting a strip club, sometimes just a night out with the guys is harmless fun, and seeing naked boobies is always cool. But the wife probably would not go for it. So I will compare it to faith. Will your god allow forgiveness? will he let you sleep in your own bed after viewing said naked ladies? Will he even let you back in the house?

Decisions. It's yours to make, do not let anyone make it for you, and decide if it is right for you.

Don't even let Kerwin co-erse you into thinking you are selling out, your god might be a little crazier then his and allow it. Or it could be the same guy, if thats the case you are a sell out.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:15 AM   #44
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can you give me details on how to forfeit one's soul?

Soul:

a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)



Forfeit / lose:

a) something to which the right is lost, as for commission of a crime or misdeed, neglect of duty, or violation of a contract. to subject to seizure as a forfeit. to lose or become liable to lose, as in consequence of crime, fault, or breach of engagement.
b) to affect with damage, do damage to; to sustain damage, to receive injury, suffer loss




Therefore, to forfeit one's soul is to violate/damage the essense of the feeling of your eternal being.



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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:43 AM   #45
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No, I am suggesting he not sell out. Having fun is fine, but not at the point of forfeiting one's soul.

No, he can be concerned, drive a car or setup a group rental of a limo if he has safety concerns. There is no obligation to degrade yourself for the glorification of your friend's immoral pleasure.
this is starting to give me immoral pleasure
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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:46 AM   #46
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Soul:

a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
much of that is based in my crotch, so is my soul in my penis?
b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life.
so basically god wants me to use my penis to live forever by using god aids?

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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:15 PM   #47
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No, I am suggesting he not sell out. Having fun is fine, but not at the point of forfeiting one's soul.
Dave, I take your above statement to mean that if he goes to the Jiggly Room, he is going to hell (in a nutshell) which would then lead me to believe that there is something in the bible that says something to the effect of:

"Thee shan't partaketh in the joy of seeing some fine knockers whilst enjoying a malt beverage"

If I'm correct could you please direct me to the area of the bible (page 72 paragraph 3 line 1, or something to the effect)?

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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:24 PM   #48
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If I'm correct could you please direct me to the area of the bible (page 72 paragraph 3 line 1, or something to the effect)?

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Amen. I don't recall this being in the bible. Clearly it was frowned upon to sell your body for sex as in Mary Magdelin, but I don't recall looking at another's body to be a sin???
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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:24 PM   #49
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Dave, I take your above statement to mean that if he goes to the Jiggly Room, he is going to hell (in a nutshell) which would then lead me to believe that there is something in the bible that says something to the effect of:

"Thee shan't partaketh in the joy of seeing some fine knockers whilst enjoying a malt beverage"

If I'm correct could you please direct me to the area of the bible (page 72 paragraph 3 line 1, or something to the effect)?

kthnxbye
dude, look under douchebagians 7:13
As hezekia, son of sodomia, placed his hand upon the door of the den of intiquity, The Lord spoketh unto him.
7:14 "Thou shall not partake of the joy of seeing some fine tittyballs in action while thee drinketh the fruit of the vine or thou shalt be cast into the lake of fire forever."
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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:44 PM   #50
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Dave, I take your above statement to mean that if he goes to the Jiggly Room, he is going to hell (in a nutshell) which would then lead me to believe that there is something in the bible that says something to the effect of:

"Thee shan't partaketh in the joy of seeing some fine knockers whilst enjoying a malt beverage"

If I'm correct could you please direct me to the area of the bible (page 72 paragraph 3 line 1, or something to the effect)?

kthnxbye
If you cared to know what I think you may have quoted what I actually said.
"Therefore, to forfeit one's soul is to violate/damage the essense of the feeling of your eternal being."

In other words, it means to be a sell out. Operating AGAINST the true feelings of your soul (what you know to be right and true).
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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:49 PM   #51
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Amen. I don't recall this being in the bible. Clearly it was frowned upon to sell your body for sex as in Mary Magdelin, but I don't recall looking at another's body to be a sin???
Proverbs 6:25a "Do not lust in your heart after her beauty"

Matthew 5:27-28 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (you may remember Jesus saying that, then again, you may not)

Collosians 3:5-7a "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must rid yourselves of all such things"



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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:58 PM   #52
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Proverbs 6:25a "Do not lust in your heart after her beauty"

Matthew 5:27-28 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (you may remember Jesus saying that, then again, you may not)

Collosians 3:5-7a "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must rid yourselves of all such things"





Shall I continue?

Please do. I love fiction.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:16 PM   #53
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Proverbs 6:25a "Do not lust in your heart after her beauty"
Don't lust - check (I enjoy the strip clubs but it would be a "cold day in hell" before I ever madeout/sleptwith/dated a stripper so I have to agree here)

Don't look - different story

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Matthew 5:27-28 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (you may remember Jesus saying that, then again, you may not)
It doesn't sound like any of these guys are married and I have yet to meet a stripper that is married so no adultery being committed.

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Collosians 3:5-7a "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must rid yourselves of all such things"
So you're going to hell? At some point in time you lusted and had "evil desires" Your daughter is proof of that.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:31 PM   #54
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dude, look under douchebagians 7:13
As hezekia, son of sodomia, placed his hand upon the door of the den of intiquity, The Lord spoketh unto him.
7:14 "Thou shall not partake of the joy of seeing some fine tittyballs in action while thee drinketh the fruit of the vine or thou shalt be cast into the lake of fire forever."

HAAAAAAA (it hurts to laugh this hard)AAAAAAA!

So, if I go to said titty bar in an effort to reform (save) the strippers (sinners) soul and lead them to the devine light, I get to lose my soul for the effort? I would'nt worry too much about it, it sounds like your trying to keep to the golden rule.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:37 PM   #55
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Please do. I love fiction.
If you want to chew on the meat I gave you first, then sure. There are plenty more.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:42 PM   #56
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Don't lust - check (I enjoy the strip clubs but it would be a "cold day in hell" before I ever madeout/sleptwith/dated a stripper so I have to agree here)

Don't look - different story



It doesn't sound like any of these guys are married and I have yet to meet a stripper that is married so no adultery being committed.



So you're going to hell? At some point in time you lusted and had "evil desires" Your daughter is proof of that.
I have no idea what you are saying about the proverbs verse.

Jesus said not to look at a woman lustfully, he didn't say it's ok if you are unmarried. An ommission is not a commission. So Jesus said that even looking with lust is wrong. How is this unclear?

Collossians said nothing about going to hell. However, it said to stop being sexually immoral and to stop lusting, because that was the former way of life, and the new way is without those things. How is this unclear? Further, it is not a sin to be sexually attracted to your spouse. The sin is when the desire is after someone who you are not married and committed to.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:47 PM   #57
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So, if I go to said titty bar in an effort to reform (save) the strippers (sinners) soul and lead them to the devine light, I get to lose my soul for the effort?
Jesus was one to break some social norms and push the envelope, but he never went to such extremes. It would be unwise to watch a stripper and tell them about God. It would be more appropriate when they were done with their business.

I have never been to a strip club because I know it is wrong, I know it is degrading to women, and I know it is lame. When I chose to sin before knowing God, it made more sense to actually have a woman than look at a woman. Titty bars are nothing more than instant gratification for weak men who are unable to produce actual excitement in the context of a relationship. Beyond that, said weak men are never actually satisfied because the nature of the exchange is both incomplete and untrue.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:58 PM   #58
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Titty bars are nothing more than instant gratification for weak men who are unable to produce actual excitement in the context of a relationship. Beyond that, said weak men are never actually satisfied because the nature of the exchange is both incomplete and untrue.
Careful, it sounds like you are judging and according to that book you keep quoting that's not your job.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:59 PM   #59
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Why is it a sin to attend a Gentleman's Ballet?

How am I sinning when watching a girl dance erotically? The girl is just showing off her brass pole acrobatic skills, with less than a normal amount of clothing.....
Its not prostitution just entertainment; like boxing, the opera, and Tom Cruise.

The problem with religion is there are too many hipocrates that do it!

I don't know of a single human that doesn't lust over anything!
Who here doesn't desire more money or more happiness?
There is enough wrath and predjudice on this thread alone!
Who here isn't envious of that bigger, badder stronger, 4x4?
How about pride? Shit, I don't think I have really met anyone on this board that was truely humble!
And the Sloth of everyone sitting on their asses on this damn website being gluttoniuos with their time is rediculous....


I say do what you want to do, like what you do, and do it when you want to do it! There are too many "Rightious Hipocrates" around here to ask for advice when it comes to religious decisions. But if you have to ask about a morality issue, then you are are not mature enough for the situation!
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Old June 29th, 2007, 02:01 PM   #60
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so does that mean i turn my back on my friends?
Bob, my good friend from high school was having this blowout party and he invited me. They rented a limo (Everyone threw in 25 bucks or something) and they were gonna go bar hopping, and one bar was a strip club. But the route was in place and if you were in for one stop, you were in for them all. Josh knew that I followed Christ and he just figured I would be ok with it. I missed the whole party altogether because they ordered strippers for the afterparty too. I just told him that I would want to go, but that is not what I will involve in my life. He may have thought me a loser, but I could care less, I am more concerned with following my King. I did not go, and it was the right decision. All this being outside of the fact that my wife would have made me sleep on the couch indefinitely, this was a decision for me to make as a man, not as a husband. Same for you. If you value your faith, you will stick to it. If your faith does not affect your actions, then you will do as you please. Some of the guys here will say to ignore my bullshit, that is because they are not like minded with Christ, and care less about his ways or his Kingdom. You, however, are not that way. Being a Christian is not a Sunday activity Bob, it is a way of life. God even said himself that you should be hot or cold, not lukewarm. You would be better of never claiming the name of Jesus than to say you do and turn your back. Being a Christian is black and white; all or none. But this is old news. I'll leave ya be now.
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