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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:10 PM   #1
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Default This is just pissing me off.

The jeep developed nasty as hell deathwobble yesterday to the point that it was undriveable over 25mph. It'd just shake my arse right off the road. Ended up figurin' out real quick that putting it in 4WD FT fixed it. Either way, thought I'd at least get it into the shop my parents and I have been using for about the past 20 years.

So they look it over and determine that my upper and lower balljoints on the passenger side are completely toast, and I grenaded my steering stabilizer.

That's fine. I figured as much about the SS, and I knew something was up with the ball joints. So I asked how much they'd run to fix it. Got quoted $510.

... what? You're shitting me. I can find the stock SS for $60 and ball joint kits for $45-$75. Took a look at the invoice on it... the SS they've got down as $96, and the ball joints as $136. So $232 just for parts. Then the difference was just labor ($250+)

... yeah. I can grab an OME SD40 for less than they want for a stock POS. Hell, I know Jeeperz Creeperz has a HD SS that I can pick up for $40 w/ shipping which would get here fast considering it's... ya know... Just an hour south of me. Or I can talk to Unlimited Offroad off Thompson Rd, considering they're 4 minutes from my house. So lets get this straight. $40 for a SS, $75 at most for Ball Joints... so $115. That only puts it in a difference in price for parts at $117. Granted, I'd still have to install things, but the SS just needs a pitman puller. The ball joints would be a pain in the ass though. Never done either so it'd be one hell of a learning experience unless one of you guys wants to lend a hand. Either way, the option of saving ~$400 seems aweful enticing. Not sure what I'm going to do, but definitely going to look around first before that sort of BS.

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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:13 PM   #2
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yeah, insane. My rear driveshaft U-joints are starting to wear and the deal wanted $167 and $132 for the two ujoints just in parts. Nevermind that I had just replaced them with $40 HD ones 6 months earlier.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:15 PM   #3
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This winter I got quoted over $500 for a waterpump on an XJ.

I did it myself in -15* temps in a parking lot at WMU. Bastids.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:25 PM   #4
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I feel I'd be comfortable enough to do the steering stabilizer. Just need a puller. The ball joints I've never touched before, so not sure if I'm up for doin' those myself just yet. Have to read up on it
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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:27 PM   #5
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ball joints are easy...time consuming, but very easy.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:40 PM   #6
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Why do you need a pitman arm pulled to replace the steering stabilizer?
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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:53 PM   #7
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you dont need one its just recommended due to not wanting to pound on the moutning hole and its a lot easier than trying to get up under there then pound it with a hammer. all in all just a better idea. i dunno if the hole is tapered but thatd be a good reason also.
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i got quoted 1200 for steering pump and steering box replacement or 500 in parts. did the box myself for 140. pump is fine. bullshit.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 01:04 PM   #9
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The Ball joints are a Mother-F*&ker. I rented a ball joint press from AZ and the cups aren't deep enough. Need a snap-on or OTC to do them. You can do them, but depending on rust, they can cost you some time. I'd help, but I won't be available until August. The steering stabilizer is a 15 min. job. And get an OME, like the Lift your thinking of getting. The end you (think) want a pulled for comes with the SS.
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For the SS, you need a 5-lb short handled sledge and good aim.If you can aim the force of your swing straight down thru the center of the bolt, you can sometimes get it in one swing without damaging the threads or mushrooming the bolt. But, you need good aim and enough force all at the same time.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 01:17 PM   #11
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Dear bigcountry , :tonka:

Just go elsewhere. End of dilemma.

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Just go elsewhere. End of dilemma.

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Way ahead of ya. Called up UOC and they've got an OME SD40 for a really nice price. Going to grab that from them tomorrow and see if I can't get that on, or hell... possibly just get them to do the balljoint install if they're willing. I really don't have the time this weekend to do it myself, and I need the heep in tip-top shape for Wednesday when I head back up to Houghton for the weekend.

Grabbing some friends and going into the Porkies for the weekend. :) Should be fun!
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Old June 8th, 2007, 06:25 PM   #13
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The jeep developed nasty as hell deathwobble yesterday to the point that it was undriveable over 25mph. It'd just shake my arse right off the road. Ended up figurin' out real quick that putting it in 4WD FT fixed it. Either way, thought I'd at least get it into the shop my parents and I have been using for about the past 20 years.

So they look it over and determine that my upper and lower balljoints on the passenger side are completely toast, and I grenaded my steering stabilizer.

That's fine. I figured as much about the SS, and I knew something was up with the ball joints. So I asked how much they'd run to fix it. Got quoted $510.

... what? You're shitting me. I can find the stock SS for $60 and ball joint kits for $45-$75. Took a look at the invoice on it... the SS they've got down as $96, and the ball joints as $136. So $232 just for parts. Then the difference was just labor ($250+)

... yeah. I can grab an OME SD40 for less than they want for a stock POS. Hell, I know Jeeperz Creeperz has a HD SS that I can pick up for $40 w/ shipping which would get here fast considering it's... ya know... Just an hour south of me. Or I can talk to Unlimited Offroad off Thompson Rd, considering they're 4 minutes from my house. So lets get this straight. $40 for a SS, $75 at most for Ball Joints... so $115. That only puts it in a difference in price for parts at $117. Granted, I'd still have to install things, but the SS just needs a pitman puller. The ball joints would be a pain in the ass though. Never done either so it'd be one hell of a learning experience unless one of you guys wants to lend a hand. Either way, the option of saving ~$400 seems aweful enticing. Not sure what I'm going to do, but definitely going to look around first before that sort of BS.

/end rant

Rosie out.
I can understand your rant on the price of parts, but what you dont understand is the cost of labor and business. You might think the shop is making a killing on you but they most likely are not. To have certified mechanics with training, their wages, workers comp and liability insurance......all these things add up.
If you have the knowledge, time and tools to do the work yourself then great do it. But until you own a business and understand the cost of business..... well I guess I'll stop there.

end of my rant.....
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Old June 8th, 2007, 07:17 PM   #14
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It should only take you 3 or 4 hours tops to do all 4 balljoints. They are pretty easy, just time consuming. The AutoZone kit works just fine, as does the Murrays kit. It comes with all the adaptors you need.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 10:48 PM   #15
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$250 labor/shop costs for replacing ball joints and a steering stabilizer doesn't sound out of line to me. If it does to you you'd better learn how to do it yourself. I've done mine a couple of times now and it's pretty easy.
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if you need help give me a call?
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Old June 9th, 2007, 12:29 AM   #17
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It's too much money. No need to rant, just do it yourself or take it elsewhere.

Shops don't charge a lot of money because they HAVE too, it's because they can. Anyone who has done balljoints before can do 4 on a D30 in an hour. Say they are slow as crap and give them 3 hours to do the joints and the ss.

$150 ish in labor. $175 in parts.

$325 seems fair to me.
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For the SS, you need a 5-lb short handled sledge and good aim.If you can aim the force of your swing straight down thru the center of the bolt, you can sometimes get it in one swing without damaging the threads or mushrooming the bolt. But, you need good aim and enough force all at the same time.
If you have to hit the stud, just thread the nut back on till it's flush
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I can understand your rant on the price of parts, but what you dont understand is the cost of labor and business. You might think the shop is making a killing on you but they most likely are not. To have certified mechanics with training, their wages, workers comp and liability insurance......all these things add up.
If you have the knowledge, time and tools to do the work yourself then great do it. But until you own a business and understand the cost of business..... well I guess I'll stop there.

end of my rant.....


Oh, I can agree with you on that. The Labor isn't what bothered me. It was the fact that I knew I could get the parts for about half the price, and they'd be better aftermarket parts at that. It just seemed silly to pay twice the price for stock parts when I didn't have to.
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If you have to hit the stud, just thread the nut back on till it's flush
Yep. I've done that as well. It's a wonderful sound to hear that loud pop on your first swing.
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