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Old May 31st, 2007, 06:25 PM   #1
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Picked up a Full width 44 from a 78? F250

and after talking with Grandman at the Spring Fling got my wheels turning

what is involved in shortening the width.....do you cut the welds on the diff housing pull the tubes shorten them and repress/weld them or do you just cut the tubes anywhere and reweld to desired length. To me seems the first choice would be best......

And are the shafts them selves as far as spline count the same as Early Bronco 44's.....so if i cut the width down to match that of a EB 44 would the shafts interchange. That way i could just get EB shafts to work with my shortened 44.

I know i can get shafts shortened through like moser for example.

What i am thinking is shortening my axle to match my Rear 8.8 with the lug spacer/conversions on them. I do not desire true full width full size axles but i am tired of the TTB. And i got this axle on a trade and do not have access to any EB axles

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Old May 31st, 2007, 06:41 PM   #2
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cut the welds on the knuckles and pound them off. cut off desired amount of tube and hammer back on. weld and done. EB shafts will work but they use a smaller ujoint.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 06:48 PM   #3
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i would stay with the bigger u joints. narrow it to use scout or waggy inner shafts.
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Old June 3rd, 2007, 12:22 AM   #5
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cut the welds on the knuckles and pound them off. cut off desired amount of tube and hammer back on. weld and done. EB shafts will work but they use a smaller ujoint.
However you may not be able to get the drivers side length to match that of an eb. Due to the fact of the knuckles having the c's cast into them. I have also done it by just shortening the pass side tube this way, and had great luck. (it's still in the truck as we speak) Then that way you only have one axleshaft to get shortened. I sent mine to moser to be shortened and had them make a spare at the same time.
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However you may not be able to get the drivers side length to match that of an eb. Due to the fact of the knuckles having the c's cast into them. I have also done it by just shortening the pass side tube this way, and had great luck. (it's still in the truck as we speak) Then that way you only have one axleshaft to get shortened. I sent mine to moser to be shortened and had them make a spare at the same time.
he said f250 not f150. IIRC the heavy half 150's and the 250's were spring over.
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An f250 wont have cast c's. It would have perches.

Only the stocker eb shafts have a small u-joint. The aftermarket or replacements shafts have the normal size joint, 297, 760 or whatever.
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yep this axle is leaf sprung, but i plan on taking the perches off and making work with my coil springs
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Old June 4th, 2007, 06:45 PM   #9
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for my next question.....i know the stock EB axles are smaller jointed then the f250's but i have been told aftermarket shafts are larger jointed then stock....

are the stock waggy axle joints larger then the stock EB's???

and my final question or plead for help....i have no access to eb axles nor waggy axles...somebody with either axle please take a few measurements for me from the diff housing to the knucle or maybe a pic or two showing this measurement so i have a guide line to cut and modify
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I dont know about waggy shafts other then there more money after market then EB shafts . I went to EB usa alloy shafts , after market EB shafts run the larger joints , only stock EB shafts run the small joint .

I cut the welds off , be careful doing this it is easy to get into the housing . Now on the 44 you have are the goofy shaped ford parts part of the housing ?

If i recall you need to take 7 " off the passenger side and 1/2 off the drivers side to go EB but double check them figures . If you have a V 8 i ran into exhaust trouble and had to put duals on . EB measurments set the canrrier pretty close to center of the vehicle .

Read up on caster and camber before cutting any thing . Use a cheap angle finder from the hardware store and get the ends back on at the angle they came off .

some can be cut off the tubes , others can not as the tube does not extend through them .
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why not start off with a wagoneer axle that is about the same width as a 8.8?
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F-250
34.75"
18.60"

EB
27.94"
18.31"

74-79 waggy
33.19"
14.69"

80 up waggy
32.12"
15.8"

Scout
32.91"
14.78"
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Old June 4th, 2007, 07:18 PM   #13
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why not start off with a wagoneer axle that is about the same width as a 8.8?
Lp and thinner tubes then the f250 housing.
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i already have the F250 44

my biggest hurdle to this whole set-up (i have been doing all Research to this point) is the lug patterns...i wish to keep my rear 8.8 buti do not wish to have two different lug patterns and i do not beleive their is a adapt plate to make my 5x4.5 match that of the f250 unfort......

this whole project is still in the develpomental stages lol
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Old June 4th, 2007, 07:19 PM   #15
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F-250
34.75"
18.60"

EB
27.94"
18.31"

74-79 waggy
33.19"
14.69"

80 up waggy
32.12"
15.8"

Scout
32.91"
14.78"
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Old June 4th, 2007, 07:21 PM   #16
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Yes you can special order adapters from 5x4.5 to 8x6.5 but they get pricy. I think I got a price of $100 apeice :stan3:
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Old June 4th, 2007, 07:23 PM   #17
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damn but if their made then thats cool i just regeared my 8.8 and converted it to discs, i would hate to have to start over with drums and a lower gear ratio

another quetion will a 15" rim fit on the F250 frt??

being i have 36x13.50 15 iroks
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redrill the rear 8.8 to 5x5.5 and make the front 5x5.5
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You will have to run low backspacing (~2") and probably grind down the caliper some. But if you switch to 5 lug you will have to change knuckles and out.
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okay let me recap on what my thoguths are as i read and learn

1 question, are the f250 shafts the same spline count as the EB's shafts

okay the f250 is--------EB is
34.75 (pass side)-------27.94 (pass)
18.60 (drivers)----------18.31 (drivers)
total is 53.35 -----------46.25

so i leave the f250s drivers side alone at 18.60
and cut the pass side to 27.94 to match the EB's pass side

This will allow me to use the stock f250 shaft for the drivers and then cut the pass side to use the EB's pass side axle shaft (their fore no need for custom shafts) and the width should be real close to that of my rear 8.8.....

i could then get 5x5.5 D44 knuckles (knuckles, calipers, hubs, Ball joints etc...) and this would bolt up to the ears of the F250 axle? and are the waggy and f150 knuckles the same (ie 5x5.5)

then just need adapters to make my rear 5x45 to 5x5.5 to match the front






Thanks to those who have taken the time to answer many of my questions

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