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Old April 21st, 2007, 09:59 PM   #1
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I would like to say that is insightful, but I guess I assumed that was common knowledge. Two wrongs have never made a right.
Why is putting a murder/rapists to death a second wrong? It is a punishmnet for what they did. You might not like it but if you commit a crime that extreme that should be the punishment.

Someone that commits a violent crime against another human being does not deserve to live.

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Old April 21st, 2007, 10:03 PM   #2
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my thoughts are give them life in prision with no porole and they are confined to there cells that would be way worse than death if u think about it they would rather die than sit and rot in prision so why not let them sit and rot and think about what they did for the rest of there lifes
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Life in prison is to good, death is to good also. I think violent crime offenders should be tortured for as long as possible. Something real slow that might take years to kill them. The way I see it If Charles Manson repents his sins he will go to heaven. Why not make their life hell while they are here. I like this quote from Pulp Fiction: Marsellus: What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' niggers, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass.
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my thoughts are give them life in prision with no porole and they are confined to there cells that would be way worse than death if u think about it they would rather die than sit and rot in prision so why not let them sit and rot and think about what they did for the rest of there lifes
Because your tax dollars pay for them to sit and "think" about what they did.

vwBoy, how would you like to send your money so that someone gets three square meals a day, cabled tv, a roof over there heads, and heat in the winter?

Now, this same money, could go to a program that provides children that live with no food, no heat, and/or no clothes?

Oh, also, because we are paying for this person to sit in jail, when you want to go to college, and get state aid, because you can't pay for it out of your pocket, the state tells you, we are sorry, but we have no money?

Or wait, you are a state employee, and for three years in a row, you are told that there is no money to pay for a raise?

But, yeah, let's let them sit in prison for the rest of their life. Tell you what, we will figure out away that that one person and all the money they are costing the state can be taken out of your paycheck every week, or every two weeks or whenever you get paid.


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Old April 21st, 2007, 11:26 PM   #5
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LIFE IN PRISON... I don't think so...Why waste MY tax money. If you've done a crime that gets you LIFE. I think you should DIE...PLEASE STOP WASTING MY TAX MONEY...
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Because your tax dollars pay for them to sit and "think" about what they did.

vwBoy, how would you like to send your money so that someone gets three square meals a day, cabled tv, a roof over there heads, and heat in the winter?

Now, this same money, could go to a program that provides children that live with no food, no heat, and/or no clothes?

Oh, also, because we are paying for this person to sit in jail, when you want to go to college, and get state aid, because you can't pay for it out of your pocket, the state tells you, we are sorry, but we have no money?

Or wait, you are a state employee, and for three years in a row, you are told that there is no money to pay for a raise?

But, yeah, let's let them sit in prison for the rest of their life. Tell you what, we will figure out away that that one person and all the money they are costing the state can be taken out of your paycheck every week, or every two weeks or whenever you get paid.


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im not saying that im against the death pennalty its just a worse punishment to have to sit in a room for ever than what it is to be killed they shouldnet get tv nor radios nor contact from family or freinds they should just be kept in a 8x8 room all day with a little window and a shitter and a sink and thats it and for the food they whould get breakfast and dinner no lunch and lights out a 9 that would suck no contact with the outside world and be confined forever or they should get the same thing done to them as what they did to there victems
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vwBOY,

Have you ever been to jail?
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Old April 21st, 2007, 11:48 PM   #9
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I've been a time or two...NEVER PRISON ,but I can tell you ,its not like the movies...A little time to yourself is'nt so bad...I feel that if your going to do the crime than you had better be willing to pay the ultimate price...
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im not saying that im against the death pennalty its just a worse punishment to have to sit in a room for ever than what it is to be killed they shouldnet get tv nor radios nor contact from family or freinds they should just be kept in a 8x8 room all day with a little window and a shitter and a sink and thats it and for the food they whould get breakfast and dinner no lunch and lights out a 9 that would suck no contact with the outside world and be confined forever or they should get the same thing done to them as what they did to there victems

Do yourself a favor and read up on what they actually get. No tv, no radios, no contact from family or friends is against their rights.
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Do yourself a favor and read up on what they actually get. No tv, no radios, no contact from family or friends is against their rights.
im saying thats how i would have it and they should be stripped of there rights
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RIGHTS...HA , You gave them up when you pulled your Bullshit.
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Old April 22nd, 2007, 01:14 AM   #13
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im saying thats how i would have it and they should be stripped of there rights
Think about the crimes that are committed by those on death row. the heinous ones. ones that inspire hollywood movies. not the single crime by a black dude at the wrong place at the wrong time. think about juan corona. or John A Muhammad.

let them sit and think?! you fucking crazy? maybe because you're young (i think) but if some serial killer came to your house and went to town, you'd be battin' for the guy to get the needle ...
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Old April 22nd, 2007, 01:20 AM   #15
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Old April 22nd, 2007, 06:02 AM   #16
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I know a few gaurds out here in Jackson and my step brother is a gaurd in Florida, they are the worst kinda scum in that place. the gaurds in Jackson have to walk with a plastic shield next to them that runs on a track so that people don't throw blood, urine or feces on them while they do they're rounds.
in Florida a couple of guys have messed up and tried to swing on my step brother. he punched one so hard the state had to pay to rebuild his face, they investigated and found no wrong doing, the guy was in the max block and was being taken for a walk on a chain like a dog. he turned on the two gaurds and when he hit my step brother my step brother hit him once. the guy had a busted nose, eye orbits and crushed his cheek bone. the guy investigated the matter wanted the weapon he used on the guy. Kie held up his hand. the security films confirmed what he said, but they wanted to hang Kie out to dry for using a weapon on a prisioner which he doesn't need to carry. the part that gets me if you are indigent the state still houses you for around $40,000 a year here in michigan. if you have a house or cars they sieze that stuff to sell to pay for your stay.
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But think of how many fewer repeat offenders we would have if the death penalty was enacted. My thoughts are these. Life in prison, you get used to it after a year or two of sitting there. Knowing you are sentanced to is something you dont get used to.
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I have never personally taken TOO strong of a stance on the death penalty. On one side I definitely see it, but it still has me thinking.

One thought to consider is this: it is illegal to kill an abortion doctor. It is not illegal to use the death penalty. So if it is NOT ILLEGAL, and if it IS JUSTIFIED... is it really wrong?
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Why is putting a murder/rapists to death a second wrong? It is a punishmnet for what they did.

Your thought.
Seems pretty clear to me, whether it applies to unborn babies or murderers.

Exodus 20:2-17: THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
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Or what??? my soal will burn in a lake of fire?
I guess I should also honour my father.
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