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Old February 7th, 2006, 07:14 AM   #1
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alright so i have a yj and its my dd and this summer im gonna lift it. right now im thinking of probably getting 35s for it so i have two options of how to get the lift for that.
1. i can get the spring over kit, use my stock springs, but then what else will have to be done to the jeep to make it work? ive heard that you have to get traction arms, steering mods, and it rides bad on the road. so what else is there, and what are your opinions of it?

2. i can keep it SUA and i was thinking 4"suspension lift, 1-2" body, and 1-2" shackle lift. now i know i have to get and SYE for this also and a new ds but what esle will have to go into it to make it work? what are your opinions of this?

keep in mind this is my dd. and i am looking for cost difference and performance distance
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Old February 7th, 2006, 07:49 AM   #2
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soa cost i wrote up in a post a few days back.

none of this includes axles or tires, just purely the lift

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Relocate shock mounts COST $5 grinding wheel and weld supplies
shocks ($200)
new brake lines ($75)
get new ubolts ($50)
fab new steering (from $150, $350 if you need high-steer)
new driveshafts ($400 in shafts)
figure out any sway bar mounting (or just don't run swaybars)

Figure on spending about $850-1000 or so. If it is a trail rig only, you can make a square front DS like I did... it will save you about $200. I would recommend getting the rear made by a pro, and having it balanced.
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Where are you getting slip d/s for 200 dollars a piece? All mine have ran at least 300, with CV's.
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Figure this:

For the same size lift, whether its spring under or spring over:

You will need longer Shocks
You will (probably) need longer driveshafts
You will need steering correction
You will need longer brake lines
You will probably need and SYE

Here is my personal experience with building an SOA CJ using YJ springs:

For a YJ, the stock springs will probably give you trouble fitting 35s without a body lift. They are very flexible, but do have a tendancy to sag. I ran YJ springs on my CJ-5 which was probably 500 lbs lighter than a YJ in sprung weight. I had to add 2 leaves to the front(full length AAL from a scout main, and and extra YJ 2nd leaf) to hold up the Jeep. The rears were stock 5 leaf YJ, but really could have used one more leaf.

I believe CJ-7 rear springs work a little better about holding up a YJ.

Steering if you don't go higher than 35s, you can probably run 1-ton style steering (inverted-T style) with a drop pitman arm and not hit your springs.

On the rear, you WILL have spring wrap if you don't do something for traction and are using soft springs.

Driveshafts, probably can have them lengthened by a local shop for about $150 each.

Brake lines, whatever you like, there..

Shocks: What I did on my Toyota was go to ebay. There is a seller there (fruitridgeauto, I think) that sells Gabriel shocks. Their Gas Ryder VSTs are nice (Gabriels top of the line shock). I ordered 4 shocks for an F-150 with a 4" lift, it was about $70 shipped for all 4, they are 13" travel each.

On the front, if you need a taller shock mount, Ford F-250 mounts from the late 80s/early 90s are about $13 each at a ford dealer and will probably let you fit some 12-14" travel shocks up front.


I think between the two, a 4" lift kit you will feel like a lifted Jeep. A SOA, you will feel like a MODIFIED Jeep. By that, I mean the SUA kit will probably have much better road handling, since in a good kit, they usually adress track bars, sway bars, arne't so prone to wheel hop, etc. An SOA YJ, most people ditch the track bars and often sway bars, too.

On road, the SUA is usually better
Off road, the SOA is almost universally better. There is a lot of clearance gained under the axles, and incredible flex, if you can control the spring wrap.


Cost wise, if you buy most of your components, a good SOA will probably cost as much as a SUA lift, if you pay to have the labor done, its probably more money. You can certainly save money by making parts, and doing the labor, if you have some metalworking tools and a welder.

Oh, assuming your front springs are more or less flat, do NOT do a shackle reversal, it works the opposite of intended with a flat spring and forces the need for a long slip spline front driveshaft.
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You cannot run 35's on a D35, unless your really gentle. So add another 2-4 hundred. I hope you have $$ cause with wheels, tires, sye/cv, and all the other components its gona get pretty high up. Also you have to deal with Axle wrap and steering.

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Here's axle wrap on a YJ spring SOA setup..

The rears were stock 5 leaf packs..

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You cannot run 35's on a D35, unless your really gentle. So add another 2-4 hundred. I hope you have $$ cause with wheels, tires, sye/cv, and all the other components its gona get pretty high up. Also you have to deal with Axle wrap and steering.
Again, those costs will be there either way, SOA or SUA.


Really, I think the choice comes down to: Do you want to buy a kit, or want to fab stuff and tune things yourself.
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I forgot about a anti-wrap bar.. I was snapping ujoints EVERY SINGLE TIME I went offroading until I had Killer B fab me a ladder bar.. Never broke one again.
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I never broke any joints on mine, but, well, I'm just a webwheeler. Thats a photochopped picture. That pic was really taken at Great Lakes Crossing.



*wocka wocka wocka*
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I never broke any joints on mine, but, well, I'm just a webwheeler. Thats a photochopped picture. That pic was really taken at Great Lakes Crossing.



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hmm.. And the times I didn't break my u-joint, it was the Yoke that broke.. I think I did 7-8 u joints, and 2 or 3 yokes.. I know I got good at ripping out my rear driveshaft.. Got it down to about 45 seconds.
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would i get bad axle wrap with a suspension lift also? nrth- ive seen 35s on D35 so im gonna try running that at first then upgrade when i get so more cash
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hmm.. And the times I didn't break my u-joint, it was the Yoke that broke.. I think I did 7-8 u joints, and 2 or 3 yokes.. I know I got good at ripping out my rear driveshaft.. Got it down to about 45 seconds.
So CC what did you tell yourself at about the 4th or 5th Ujoint? "Man this beast just has rediculous power doesnt she?!"
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would i get bad axle wrap with a suspension lift also? nrth- ive seen 35s on D35 so im gonna try running that at first then upgrade when i get so more cash
With srpings under the axles, axle wrap probably would not be an issue.
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does anyone know how much the 4" BDS kit costs?
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I wager the BDS folks do.
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I wager the BDS folks do.

:miff: ya i figured that but i was thinking possibly to get an idea of a price from someone on here instead of calling there
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It's been a while since I bought my BDS springs, but if I remember right it was about $75/spring, and about $35/shock, then the extended brakes lines. I have a CJ, so that is all I had to do. Call up Jeeperz Creeperz in Wyandotte.
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BDS is the poop. I am going with a BDS once I get my SYE
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does anyone know how much the 4" BDS kit costs?
When I bought my BDS kit with shocks and a stabilizer it was around $650 but I think cost have gone up since then.

Then the SYE cost me $220 and the CV driveshaft cost me $205 both of those were great deals through group buys.

MY BIGGEST PIECE OF ADVICE FOR YOU IS TO NOT KID YOURSELF ABOUT THE COST!!!!

Figure that you'll want somewhere around $1200 for the lift sye and driveshaft plus an extra $100 for busted bolts, pizza, or beer. Then if you're out of money you can buy tires later.

Lastly you can run 35's on a 35 but if you're smart you'll get an extra set of shafts and maybe even spider and side gears. I've seen more spider and side gears blow than I have axles. You will break you're axles so you better plan on it.
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BDS Suspension Systems, 87-95 Jeep Wrangler / YJ4.5
4.5" Suspension System, 1987-1995 Jeep Wrangler YJ Request $1,232.14

BDS Suspension Systems, 87-95 Jeep Wrangler / YJ3.5
3.5" Suspension System, 1987-1995 Jeep Wrangler YJ Request $866.34
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