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Old April 29th, 2007, 11:45 PM   #21
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children shoot each other because their parents are pieces of shit.

(good post Miffy )
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Old May 18th, 2007, 03:14 PM   #22
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The bible and the ten commandments form most of the basis of the moral compass of Western Civilization. Even if you don't want them in your schools or acknowledge their importance there has been an obvious decline in the moral fabric of our nation. I work with teenagers on a weekly basis. I would have been scared to death to do some of the things they do fear of serious repurcussions. This countries young people have lost their moral compass in the name of free speech/behaviour, political correctness and the general you can't tell me how I am going to live my life.
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Old May 18th, 2007, 07:21 PM   #23
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i understand the point that this uh "story" is trying to make, i just don't like the way it was presented. Christianity isn't about holding grudges, it's about forgiveness. God would never say, "I would've saved these kids, but you guys didn't invite me to school." that is a pretty terrible way to look at any religion.


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If anything, religion in school would just increase the child molestation cases :dunie:
dude, whats up with that?
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Old May 18th, 2007, 07:48 PM   #24
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children shoot each other because their parents are pieces of shit.

(good post Miffy )
Thats all that meeds to be said...

I copied miffy's post and plan on passing it on.. It say's a ton regardless of if you are religious or not..

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Old May 24th, 2007, 09:05 PM   #25
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And someone else took that appreciation a step further
And published pictures of nude children
And then stepped further still by
Making them available on the Internet.

And we said, everyone's entitled to free speech....

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as far as I know, this is still illegal abd not freedom of speech.
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Old May 25th, 2007, 09:44 AM   #26
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A member of my extended family is very religious, church every week, etc. Claims to be strict and very conservative with her daughter. Yet this person sides with her daughter every time the daughter has a complaint about a teacher or school admin. being too mean or not understanding her so called "learning disability". The girl (a teenager now)is growing up to be extremely selfish, very disrespectful, and really not equipped for the trials she will encounter later in life... in my opinion.

Sometimes I just dont understand people.
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Old May 25th, 2007, 06:48 PM   #27
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A member of my extended family is very religious, church every week, etc. Claims to be strict and very conservative with her daughter. Yet this person sides with her daughter every time the daughter has a complaint about a teacher or school admin. being too mean or not understanding her so called "learning disability". The girl (a teenager now)is growing up to be extremely selfish, very disrespectful, and really not equipped for the trials she will encounter later in life... in my opinion.

Sometimes I just dont understand people.
That kind of thing just blows me away, just like some bible thumpers say that certian people are going to hell just for the things they do, and i think it says somewheres in the catholic religion, or just about any religion that God is the one thats supposed to judge, not us people
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Old June 5th, 2007, 03:03 PM   #28
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I am amazed by the extremes in oppinion. Growing up my parents took us to church every sunday. Now as a parent I try my hardest to do the same but fall way short. I would say that just like we have the race card there is also the religion card. When there are those who promote some good moral values for our children and it just so happens to be inlaced with school or politics out comes the religion card. Most of us who have kids know that if they in public schools they are spending a good majority of thier time each year out of thier home being taught. Getting an education is important, and so is values. The firs few examples in Miffy's post were geared toward religion the rest were basic values and beliefs that our society used to try follow. Now our kids are being subject to material and situations that we may have encountered much later in our lives. Just like the two mothers pissing and moaning about thier kids getting the breathyliser at prom and caught intoxicated. What in the world are they mad about? It is that very menatilty that has gotten us to this point. We don't want other's (teachers, principels, etc) deciplining our children yet at the same time we may not have the time to do so ourselves and so our children I think start to get the wrong message. That they don't need to answer to anyone but their parents and even then there is no direction. Society is teaching our children that it isn't cool to have morals and values. Your a loser if you don't try this or wear this. What is this doing to our kids?
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Old June 5th, 2007, 03:09 PM   #29
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i cant recall any school shootings when i was in school. but we were also able to read the bible talk about god.. and we were sent to the principals office for either changing the words to the pledge or refusing to recite it..seem's like when they strted takin all of it out the problems started..but hey i could be wrong..
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Old June 5th, 2007, 04:26 PM   #30
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A member of my extended family is very religious, church every week, etc. Claims to be strict and very conservative with her daughter. Yet this person sides with her daughter every time the daughter has a complaint about a teacher or school admin. being too mean or not understanding her so called "learning disability". The girl (a teenager now)is growing up to be extremely selfish, very disrespectful, and really not equipped for the trials she will encounter later in life... in my opinion.

Sometimes I just dont understand people.
don't worry, she'll learn...life has it's way of doing that.
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Old June 6th, 2007, 01:12 AM   #31
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Any dog trainers out there?? when you get a puppy and want to have a good dog regardless of pet or working dog,you must train it well right from the start. Reward well when good and scold well when bad. Training is the dog owners responsability a well trained dog is the reward. If you throw a dog in the backyard with little or no training what would be the outcome????, who would be responsible??? Raising children is much deeper than that no doubt. If you find a family with a well trained dog look to see if their kids are well behaved Ect. If they have taken on the job of raising the family and holding themselves responsible and not the rest of the world for how their family is raised the outcome is for the most part more positive. What has happend to the word ACCOUNTABLE inthe world today??
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Old June 6th, 2007, 06:28 AM   #32
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Any dog trainers out there?? when you get a puppy and want to have a good dog regardless of pet or working dog,you must train it well right from the start. Reward well when good and scold well when bad. Training is the dog owners responsability a well trained dog is the reward. If you throw a dog in the backyard with little or no training what would be the outcome????, who would be responsible??? Raising children is much deeper than that no doubt. If you find a family with a well trained dog look to see if their kids are well behaved Ect. If they have taken on the job of raising the family and holding themselves responsible and not the rest of the world for how their family is raised the outcome is for the most part more positive. What has happend to the word ACCOUNTABLE inthe world today??
Until society accepts shock collars on children, they will never behave. (because "responsible" parents are too afraid to spank now)
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Old June 6th, 2007, 06:56 AM   #33
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So what I got from it, and my wife who is a school teacher; Is that children have no respect for their elders or adults in general. If you can't punish them for doing wrong, what are they afraid of for doing it in the first place.
For example- If your dog eats your shoes, and you don't scold him/her, what's to make them think they've done something bad.
The school my wife teaches at, can't even give kids detentions. She used to give them rewards for doing all of their homework, like little debbie snacks. But the principle put a stop to it. Now she gives them pens, pencils, scratch pads and still gets heat. WTF?
I think that parenting is the FIRST and Foremost reason for most of the problems, followed closely by political issues on how we respond to our children. I'm not saying we have to go out and beat the daylights out of our kids, but taking away privlidges and toys can go along way.
We were watching a younger cousin of hers who slammed her bedroom door in fit. Of the hinges it came, and things strightend out very fast. Then she had to earn it back.
I also agree that religion should not be part of school, but can be used as an example of how certain people can base their belief's depending on their choosen religion. That said, I still think that the "Pledge" should remain the way it was written, becuase that is what this country was founded on. It was also founded on the fact that we have free relegion, so don't take it so personal.
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