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Old April 24th, 2007, 10:37 AM   #41
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Seems pretty clear to me, whether it applies to unborn babies or murderers.

Exodus 20:2-17: THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

BUT THAT DOES NOT SAY ANY THING ABOUT TORTURE WE SHOULD JUST TORTURE THEM TILL THEY KILL THEM SELVES
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Old April 24th, 2007, 11:04 AM   #42
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I am not so sure of that, Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.

Interesting read: http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5164
especially the verses in acts and romans
Interesting assumptions on that site, but I believe the references are being mis-interpreted.

The quote you provided is referring to God's law, not Man's or Jewish law (which are not always in agreement).

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven."

The way I read this then is that you should obey the commandments of God. "thou shall not kill".

"Teacher, we know that you speak and teach rightly, and show no partiality, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful for us to give tribute to Caesar, or not?" But he perceived their craftiness, and said to them, "Show me a denarius. Whose likeness and inscription does it have?" They said, "Caesar's." He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were not able in the presence of the people to catch him in what he said, but marveling at his answer they became silent. (Luke 20:21-26 ESV)
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Old April 24th, 2007, 11:05 AM   #43
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BUT THAT DOES NOT SAY ANY THING ABOUT TORTURE WE SHOULD JUST TORTURE THEM TILL THEY KILL THEM SELVES
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Old April 24th, 2007, 11:08 AM   #44
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You realize that executing someone costs more than keeping them in prison for the rest of their life right?
Really, I never heard that before? evidence?

Still it doesn't have to, bullets are cheap.
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Old April 24th, 2007, 11:15 AM   #45
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An eye for an eye makes everyone blind. I personally like to look at the world with both eyes open.
It only makes the participants blind.

I heard this quote once, "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye, then it's fun and games you can't see."
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Old April 24th, 2007, 09:34 PM   #46
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I don't have a major problem with the death penalty, except the people who have been executed only later to be found innocent of the crime.
I agree. I think we need to be very certain the person did the crime. You know as well as I do that there are times when it can not be disputed who did the crime.

The other thing, though, to think about... if we take the life of someone, for taking someone else's life, how are we any different than the murderer, in the grand scheme of things? Because we are punishing someone

"he killed in the name of _____ but we killed in the name of justice?"
As for you quote, we have to do something. Why should we spend the money housing these people that are just miswired? I would rather see the money go to putting people in school/ training of some sort. Maybe it could be some sort of preventative effort.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 01:05 AM   #47
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Really, I never heard that before? evidence?

Still it doesn't have to, bullets are cheap.
Later this week Ill dig out some of my Intro to Criminology text books and get the actual figures but a lot of it has to do with the automatic appeals, and the second trial that is required when someone is sentenced to death. I dont remember the exact numbers, but I think it costs something like $300,000 to keep someone in prison for 40 yrs. It costs a few million to execute them. Like I said though, I dont have the figures in front of me, Ill dig out my textbooks later this week after my finals are over.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 09:04 AM   #48
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Later this week Ill dig out some of my Intro to Criminology text books and get the actual figures but a lot of it has to do with the automatic appeals, and the second trial that is required when someone is sentenced to death. I dont remember the exact numbers, but I think it costs something like $300,000 to keep someone in prison for 40 yrs. It costs a few million to execute them. Like I said though, I dont have the figures in front of me, Ill dig out my textbooks later this week after my finals are over.
THAT IS WHY WE SHOULD BRING BACK TORTURE WE COULD LET THE FAMILYS OF THE VICTIM DO ALL THE WORK.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 09:18 AM   #49
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ive tried to tell people this for years
THANK YOU!!!! Makes sense to me, I'm glad it makes sense to someone else too.
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find a cheap way and kill them all
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Old May 14th, 2007, 01:15 PM   #51
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in the condition that the state of michigan is in financially, better for them to open some cell blocks by zapping the violent offenders, than to see them release other offenders on good behavior. i have never been to jail, never want to so, i don't know how horrible or not it is. to me, it's a matter of two things, 1) eye for and eye, 2) why should i pay for a roof over a murderer or rapist's head. i'd rather buy the bullet...
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You realize that executing someone costs more than keeping them in prison for the rest of their life right?

bullsh!t...bullets are cheap, have prisoners dig the holes...how much is a shovel and a bullet?

but i guess that would require a lot of reform of the judicial system, and we all know that we don't need any of that.

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Murders, rapists, and child molesters should all be put to death. Society doesnt need to have the chance of those kind of people walking among us ever again.
Death row inmates shouldnt have unlimited appeals. I'd say just to be sure we were right, the person has 3 appeals and then toast....
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im not saying that im against the death pennalty its just a worse punishment to have to sit in a room for ever than what it is to be killed they shouldnet get tv nor radios nor contact from family or freinds they should just be kept in a 8x8 room all day with a little window and a shitter and a sink and thats it and for the food they whould get breakfast and dinner no lunch and lights out a 9 that would suck no contact with the outside world and be confined forever or they should get the same thing done to them as what they did to there victems
first you have to have a conscious regret that what you did was wrong for it to even have an effect. if you had a conscious regret, more than likely you wouldn't do it in the first place.

they don't need punishment to think about what they did, they don't care
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You realize that executing someone costs more than keeping them in prison for the rest of their life right?
It wouldnt if they just used a single bullet.


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Murders, rapists, and child molesters should all be put to death. Society doesnt need to have the chance of those kind of people walking among us ever again.
Death row inmates shouldnt have unlimited appeals. I'd say just to be sure we were right, the person has 3 appeals and then toast....
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Old May 15th, 2007, 02:02 PM   #56
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It wouldnt if they just used a single bullet.





Do like the old days go to the local hardware store buy an axe for $47 thats a nice axe at that, and do like the old queen said OFF WITH THERE HEADS.

and when the axe goes dull just throw it at the grinder. it does not get cheaper than that.
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I just don't have a problem with people reaping what they sow. I would rather have the death penalty than not have it. Some people deserve to be killed because they have murdered.
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I'm all for the death penalty under the correct circumstances - particularly under the following conditions:

1) A murder that occurred with a robbery - i.e. a situation where a possession was valued over the life of another.

2) Death of an on-duty law enforcement officer (including those involved in high-speed pursuits).

3) Murder that occurred with a sexual assault.

4) Murder of a child under the age of 12.

5) Treason / lending aid & comfort

In each of these conditions the perpatrator has shown disregard and/or indifference to some of the most basic elements of our civilization.

Remember - the point of capital punishment is not revenge or "an eye for an eye" - it's deterrence. With people being on death row for 10+ years, the deterrence value of the death penalty has been largely eliminated.

To make it effective, ensure that that convicted party gets an automatic (and immediate - no BS delays) appeal, and should their conviction be upheld, they are executed within 8 hours - preferably they are transported from the courtroom directly to the facility for immediate execution. Then you'll start to make an impact.
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I agree except I would add any murders that involve torture.

And I wouldn't limit the killing a child by age. I think if you kill someone that is a child you should die.. period.

I would also add child molesters to the list so we can start to deter that activity, plus those sickos cant be rehabilitated.

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I'm all for the death penalty under the correct circumstances - particularly under the following conditions:

1) A murder that occurred with a robbery - i.e. a situation where a possession was valued over the life of another.

2) Death of an on-duty law enforcement officer (including those involved in high-speed pursuits).

3) Murder that occurred with a sexual assault.

4) Murder of a child under the age of 12.

5) Treason / lending aid & comfort

In each of these conditions the perpatrator has shown disregard and/or indifference to some of the most basic elements of our civilization.

Remember - the point of capital punishment is not revenge or "an eye for an eye" - it's deterrence. With people being on death row for 10+ years, the deterrence value of the death penalty has been largely eliminated.

To make it effective, ensure that that convicted party gets an automatic (and immediate - no BS delays) appeal, and should their conviction be upheld, they are executed within 8 hours - preferably they are transported from the courtroom directly to the facility for immediate execution. Then you'll start to make an impact.
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I have no problem with the death sentence. I have a problem with prisons that provide cushy lives and cater to prisoners' "rights". There should be no rights in prison. You should get minimally nutritious food, an uncomfortable bed under 1,000 watt floodlights, barely adequate medical care, and no vaseline.
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