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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:22 PM   #41
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Notice how all of those have upper floors that are intact. Try finding one where the uppers floors crush first and then they just continue to crush flat.

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That is exactly how the towers fell. A large chunk stayed sorta intact and fell on the floor under that chunk and it failed, then the next and the next, one floor at a time.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:25 PM   #42
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That is exactly how the towers fell. A large chunk stayed sorta intact and fell on the floor under that chunk and it failed, then the next and the next, one floor at a time.
Yes in near free fall state with no help of weakening the lower floors. Go figure that those floors held it up for roughly 30 years and then they just collapsed in 8 seconds.

But if you say so then that's how it must be.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:34 PM   #43
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Yes in near free fall state with no help of weakening the lower floors. Go figure that those floors held it up for roughly 30 years and then they just collapsed in 8 seconds.

But if you say so then that's how it must be.
Extra weight on something that was not designed to hold X amount of extra weight collapsing? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:36 PM   #44
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yes the planes took the towers down. not bombs. the 2nd hit feel first, because that one was hit lower, it had more weight above impact.. my thoughts......
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:37 PM   #45
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Thanks for playing and believing that some guys from the desert that had only taking a few flying lessons in prop planes could pull off this. Flying into the WTC wouldn't have been all that hard but you also believe that they could have flown a plane into the Pentagon as well and that is just laughable.
Ummmm....seems you have lost fuel. This is from one of your conspiracy websites:

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August 2001 – Zacarias Moussaoui is arrested in Minneapolis, MN with letters that connect him to Malaysia (where a meeting of al Qaeda operatives occurred under the watch of the CIA in 2000) and some of the hijackers. He also has an unexplained $32,000 bank balance, two knives, fighting gloves, shin guards, and has prepared for violence through physical training. He paid $8,300 for flight training, mostly in cash, to use a 747 aircraft simulator. He asked “how much fuel is on board a 747 and how much damage could it cause if it hit anything”? He has no aviation background, little previous training, and no pilot’s license, he wants to fly only as an ego-boosting thing, he is extremely interested in the operation of the plane’s doors and control panel, and wants to know how to communicate with flight tower. He is evasive and belligerent when asked about his background. He mostly practices flying in the air rather than taking off or landing.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:39 PM   #46
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yes the planes took the towers down. not bombs. the 2nd hit feel first, because that one was hit lower, it had more weight above impact.. my thoughts......
Well....that's just too simple. It HAS to be a conspiracy. Do not allow physics to cloud your mind....
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:42 PM   #47
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Ummmm....seems you have lost fuel. This is from one of your conspiracy websites:

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August 2001 – Zacarias Moussaoui is arrested in Minneapolis, MN with letters that connect him to Malaysia (where a meeting of al Qaeda operatives occurred under the watch of the CIA in 2000) and some of the hijackers. He also has an unexplained $32,000 bank balance, two knives, fighting gloves, shin guards, and has prepared for violence through physical training. He paid $8,300 for flight training, mostly in cash, to use a 747 aircraft simulator. He asked “how much fuel is on board a 747 and how much damage could it cause if it hit anything”? He has no aviation background, little previous training, and no pilot’s license, he wants to fly only as an ego-boosting thing, he is extremely interested in the operation of the plane’s doors and control panel, and wants to know how to communicate with flight tower. He is evasive and belligerent when asked about his background. He mostly practices flying in the air rather than taking off or landing.
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Yes and I could drive in the indy 500 because I"m sweet at it on my PS2
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:48 PM   #48
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Yes and I could drive in the indy 500 because I"m sweet at it on my PS2


Once you're in the air, flying ain't that hard man. Doing 190 at the edge of your traction envelope is a bit different.

Here you go with your fantastic apples and oranges comparisons again.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:51 PM   #49
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Once you're in the air, flying ain't that hard man. Doing 190 at the edge of your traction envelope is a bit different.

Here you go with your fantastic apples and oranges comparisons again.
hahahaah.....I have never had any flight lessons, yet my grandfather let me "fly" his small piper cub. We went up, we went down, we went left we went right.

Actually I bet you COULD drive in the Indy 500. Would you win? No, but you could DRIVE....you DO know how to drive right?

Damn it, you are going to make me dig up those pictures.....
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:52 PM   #50
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Once you're in the air, flying ain't that hard man. Doing 190 at the edge of your traction envelope is a bit different.

Here you go with your fantastic apples and oranges comparisons again.
I"m also sweet at TopGun and even 1941 on Nintendo so I could probably do it as well.



Hey guys. Where is the guy that caused this at anyways? I mean don't you think the US should hold who caused this catastrophe accountable? :tonka:
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:52 PM   #51
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Failure to where the building would fall in near free fall state? Interesting.
Yes, once the collapse starts it just keeps on going.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:56 PM   #52
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Yes, once the collapse starts it just keeps on going.
At free fall state. Barely giving a tenth of a second for another floor to collapse. I don't see how that is possible but I'm not an engineer so I'll concede that they fell but that's about all.

So who is accountable for this catastrophe if it's not Bush?
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Yes in near free fall state with no help of weakening the lower floors. Go figure that those floors held it up for roughly 30 years and then they just collapsed in 8 seconds.

But if you say so then that's how it must be.
Yes, once the structural intergrity is lost the building falls apart. The force of the upper floors falling causes the lower floors to fall
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Yea, that's me....

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Old April 12th, 2007, 09:05 PM   #55
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I"m also sweet at TopGun and even 1941 on Nintendo so I could probably do it as well.
You have sunk to new lows....it's sad really. You know you are wrong and still can't admit it.

You have now resorted to comparing

This:



To this:



Looks pretty fucking realistic to me.



But hey, don't let the facts "close" your mind Mr. Freethinker
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At free fall state. Barely giving a tenth of a second for another floor to collapse. I don't see how that is possible but I'm not an engineer so I'll concede that they fell but that's about all.

So who is accountable for this catastrophe if it's not Bush?
Yes, at free fall. Did you expect it to fall in slow motion? Would you expect each floor to hold the force of the colapsing building, even for a moment? "free fall" is how things fall. I'm sure that if you had a slow motion camera that could see through all the dust, debris, smoke, and through the side of the building, you would probably see one floor after another failing, but it would be happening very quickly. What we have are videos taken from maybe a mile away, so all you see is the building coming down.

A bunch of terrorists are accountable.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 09:21 PM   #57
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A bunch of terrorists are accountable.
Where are these terroist? How come they have not been held accountable??
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Old April 12th, 2007, 09:24 PM   #58
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Where are these terroist? How come they have not been held accountable??
because they are dead like the rest of the people that were on the plane
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Old April 12th, 2007, 09:25 PM   #59
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because they are dead like the rest of the people that were on the plane
So that's it. They weren't directed? They thought it all up and then just died and it's over? Then why were we in Afghanistan looking for Bin Laden?
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So now we've answered all your questions about what we think happened, whats you theory?

Have you ever watched that TV program where they show a building getting imploded? It takes weeks, if not months to prepare the building. Portions of the interior need to be removed to get to the structure to place the explosives. There are wires everywhere. Many workers are involved. Lots of materials used.

The WTC was a building there somewhere around 10,000 people worked. Over 2,000 people died, which means that over 7,000 people who worked there are still living. So far I have not heard a one say anything about seeing anything suspicious. Not one. Surely, in a building that large, with that many people, someone would have seen something that would have made them wonder. Why has no one come forward?

Both towers collapsed begining around where they were hit, one around the 80th floor, the other around the mid 90s. How can that happen with explosives? Did they have a range of 20 floors rigged in such a way as to be able to blow the right ones to make it look like it was caused by the planes? How did the explosives survive a hour of fire before getting set off? Did whoever was flying the planes aim at just the right floors?

And who was flying the planes? Did the Bush administration manage to find pilots that were willing to die for the cause? Some type of remote control?

It would seem to me like a plot like this would require the ditrect involvement of at least hundreds of people, and the indirect involvment of thousands of people. How is it that not one person heard or saw anything before it happened that made them suspicious?
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