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Old April 12th, 2007, 05:46 PM   #21
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Ok, show me a building that high that has been struck by an airliner that high that fell differently.

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As for the pentagon vid...there HAS been footage released. It was a stop motion, surveillance camera, you see the tip, then the tail, then the smoke.


It just pisses me off when jackasses post bullshit about this. I lost friends that day and our government didn't murder them. I feel that things could have been done better prior to the attack, but that stems back to more then just Bush. SEVERAL administrations on both side failed on this one.
Go figure, Muddypaws can't comment without calling someone a dumbass or something derogatory because he doesn't agree with their views. Can't say that I didn't see this post coming.

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Old April 12th, 2007, 05:50 PM   #22
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Ok, show me a building that high that has been struck by an airliner that high that fell differently.
Can't show you one that fell differently due to being hit by a plane because it hasn't happened before but I can show you buildings falling (key world) OVER from other elements.

The empire state bulding was hit but didn't fall down and that would be the closest example I could give you but then again it wouldn't be a good one because it didn't fall down. The plane that hit it didnt carry yet fuel that burned hotter then possible either.
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Go figure, Muddypaws can't comment without calling someone a dumbass or something derogatory. Can't say that I didn't see this coming.
Sorry, I call it how I see it. If the shoe fits....then shove it up your ass.
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The empire state bulding was hit but didn't fall down and that would be the closest example I could give you but then again it wouldn't be a good one because it didn't fall down. The plane that hit it didnt carry yet fuel that burned hotter then possible either.
The Empire State Building and Wolrd Trade Center are two completely different structures when it come to how they were built. Second, the 767's that crashed into the towers are nearly 2.5 times the size the B-25 that hit the Empire State Building. The 767's also crashed into the towers at doulbe the B-25's top speed. So your example is useless.

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Sorry, I call it how I see it. If the shoe fits....then shove it up your ass.
Ahhh.... another great quote from the leader of futures generations. And so clever too with the shove it up your ass part. Did you think of that all by yourself??
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Old April 12th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #26
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The Empire State Building and Wolrd Trade Center are two completely different structures when it come to how they were built. Second, the 767's that crashed into the towers are nearly 2.5 times the size the B-25 that hit the Empire State Building. So your example is useless.
Yes, I know. I said it wasn't comparable but that was the only other building that I could think of that was hit buy a "larger" plane. And the plane that hit the Empire state building wasn't carrying yet fuel. Now why the Jet fuel on the plane that hit the WTC burned hot enough to melt steel is a question I have no answers for besides conspiracy.
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Yes, they are built like that so that when they are Imploded they fall in nice/neat piles as we saw it happen on 9/11.
When a building is imploded you see multiple explosions along the entire building...on 9/11 there were no other explosions. Just the planes hitting. The structure melted...an accident not anticipated when the buildings were built in 1969.

Calling 9/11 a government conspiracy is the same as saying the Holocaust never happened. The victims of 9/11 were murdered by terrorists from the Middle East, plain and simple. You really shouldnt disgrace peoples' memories like that.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 06:52 PM   #28
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Now why the Jet fuel on the plane that hit the WTC burned hot enough to melt steel is a question I have no answers for besides conspiracy.
It didn't melt the steel, it heated it to the point of weaking enough to cause failure of the buildings structure.
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When a building is imploded you see multiple explosions along the entire building...on 9/11 there were no other explosions. Just the planes hitting. The structure melted...an accident not anticipated when the buildings were built in 1969.
So are you saying that the firefighters are laying about the explosions that they heard through out the building? Or the exploded marble in the lobby or the explosions that where heard in the basement which was a few thousand feet

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Calling 9/11 a government conspiracy is the same as saying the Holocaust never happened. The victims of 9/11 were murdered by terrorists from the Middle East, plain and simple. You really shouldnt disgrace peoples' memories like that.
I don't see how calling 9/11 a consperiecy has anything to do with the halocaust. The victims of 9/11 were not murdered by terrorist but murdered by our own government so they would have free will to invade the middle east. I'm actually not disgracing people memories but trying to find the truth and that hopefully someday the people that are accountable for 9/11 are held responsible.

If you believe what you believe then why are you not calling for those responsible to be held accountable. If it was Bin Laden then why can't we find him and why have we moved our resources from looking for him to Iraq?

It's awsome how this has blown up in Bush's face and he will be remember as the worst President that the United States of America has ever had. Even worse then Coolidge. It was also be remembered that the United States of America elected him for a second term which I predict that in the future heads will be shaken in disbelief that it could have been possible and actually occurred.
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It didn't melt the steel, it heated it to the point of weaking enough to cause failure of the buildings structure.
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So are you saying that the firefighters are laying about the explosions that they heard through out the building? Or the exploded marble in the lobby or the explosions that where heard in the basement which was a few thousand feet
I wonder what a floor of a skyscraper sounds like when it collapses from too much weight on top of it....maybe like an explosion? I winder what marble that has been subjected to thousands (millions?) of tons of pressure being forced down on it looks like....

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I wonder what a floor of a skyscraper sounds like when it collapses from too much weight on top of it....maybe like an explosion? I winder what marble that has been subjected to thousands (millions?) of tons of pressure being forced down on it looks like....

Glad you are a bean counter and not someone with common sense.
Yeah something had had not structural support and just hangs on the wall is subjected to thousands of pounds of pressure. I can see how a guy that thinks locking a D35 is a good idea could also assume that pressure extends to decorational wall coverings.
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It didn't melt the steel, it heated it to the point of weaking enough to cause failure of the buildings structure.
Failure to where the building would fall in near free fall state? Interesting.
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Yeah something had had not structural support and just hangs on the wall is subjected to thousands of pounds of pressure. I can see how a guy that thinks locking a D35 is a good idea could also assume that pressure extends to decorational wall coverings.
What the hell are you talking about? The building collapsed. It crushed just about everything. We aren't talking about a static room that was just sitting there and had the wall explode. It had 110 stories fall on it.

WTF? Are we even talking about the same thing? I'm talking about the World Trade Towers falling on September 11 2001.
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Why? They are both dead and it's pretty black and white. I'll address other things you say after I figure out how you can not see death as being black or white, alive or dead.

Both the bomber and soilder died for the same cause. One I agree with and one that I don't agree with but they both felt that they were doing right at the time.
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You're not on ignore yet because sometimes your responses just amuse and amaze me too much.
You missed that part. I've now figured out how you come out with your crazy mad cow disease ideas...you don't read the entire article or everything someone says. I now understand.
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What the hell are you talking about? The building collapsed. It crushed just about everything. We aren't talking about a static room that was just sitting there and had the wall explode. It had 110 stories fall on it.

WTF? Are we even talking about the same thing? I'm talking about the World Trade Towers falling on September 11 2001.
Yes, same building. The two that fell 1100 feet in like 8 seconds.
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You missed that part. I've now figured out how you come out with your crazy mad cow disease ideas...you don't read the entire article or everything someone says. I now understand.
They both died for their cause. I stated that I believed in one and not the other but both thought what they were doing was right. Geezzz . . . . do YOU even read my responses?

Edit: O and yes they are both dead for the cause they both felt as right. Not half dead but dead dead with not heartbeat . .. black or white dead, not grey kinda alive dead.
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Failure to where the building would fall in near free fall state? Interesting.
Yea, because structures can't fall straight down huh.

Notice the lower floor.....smashed flat.







OMGZ!!!!!11 This looks like it exploded! The Northridge earthquake must have been planned and executed by Bush!

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Yea, because structures can't fall straight down huh.
Notice how all of those have upper floors that are intact. Try finding one where the uppers floors crush first and then they just continue to crush flat.

Thanks for playing and believing that some guys from the desert that had only taking a few flying lessons in prop planes could pull off this. Flying into the WTC wouldn't have been all that hard but you also believe that they could have flown a plane into the Pentagon as well and that is just laughable.

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Yes, same building. The two that fell 1100 feet in like 8 seconds.
You are basing your numbers on seismological data and not on the actual footage time. Watch the video and time it.


Also...If you remove the support structure of a building at a certain point, the section of the building above that point will fall down on the part of the building below that point. If this upper section is heavy enough, it will collide with the lower part with sufficient force to cause significant damage or failure.

You need to go look at some implosion video. Anyone with half a brain can see that the towers falling and a building imploding look COMPLETELY different.

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