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Old February 22nd, 2006, 06:23 AM   #21
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Like fr3d said, if you have a little pin hole, so what. Compressor and a tank, even if it is only 2 or 3 gallons will run an impact, or fill a tire faster than just a compressor, or any range of other air tools. Plus, if it does not leak, you can hook up air horns, use it for ARB air lockers, etc. If it does have a little hole, only run the compressor when you need air.

As for all the comments about it being hard to seal a bumper, no, its not. Maybe I am a better welder than 99% of you, but I have never found it very difficult to seal up a bumper. Fr3d did his with a 110v Flux core mig welder, a few other guys I know have done it with arc (stick) welders. I have a Milermatic 210, run .035 wire and use 25/75 argon/co2 mix and have no problems sealing up stuff. Just my .02
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Old February 22nd, 2006, 06:44 AM   #22
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Actually I did mine with stick....I just used the 110 to tack it together. I wish I had the $$ and the real need for a good MIG
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 12:58 AM   #23
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I never said having a tank is not a benifit.

But I would (and will) be using an actual tank...
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tanks.htm

Way less PITA.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:01 AM   #24
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As for all the comments about it being hard to seal a bumper, no, its not. Maybe I am a better welder than 99% of you, but I have never found it very difficult to seal up a bumper. Fr3d did his with a 110v Flux core mig welder, a few other guys I know have done it with arc (stick) welders. I have a Milermatic 210, run .035 wire and use 25/75 argon/co2 mix and have no problems sealing up stuff. Just my .02
Do you finish grind your non structual welds? That is mostly the issue. Weld, grind, test, weld, grind test....

Only to have a pin hole show up later on.... I want a tank to keep a reserve so I don't have to have the compressor running ALL The time...
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:13 AM   #25
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And be done with it.
and about 300 bux poorer <(is that even a word?)
I like the idea of running a compressor better if i could get one of those tanks for free Im there !! but i dont see paying the money they cost.. id rather have a unlimited source of air with me..
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 05:17 AM   #26
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The way to bypass the $300.................find somebody who can get you a CO2 tank they use for soda machines :thumbsup:.....add a $30 regulator and a hose........(like Taco Bell) good to go.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:14 PM   #27
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My tj had the air tank in the bumper worked good! The only thing i was told is that the air must be completeky emptied out cause the condinsation could cause it to rust from the inside out,
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 02:22 PM   #28
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I put so much oil through my compressor I think it would fill up with oil before it would have a chance to rust :tonka: seriously though..... my bumper was so cheap to build by the time 3/16 could rust through I could just build another one. Ask Swamp Jeep if it's rusted through yet....or if he still uses it.
It's well over 1.5 years old now.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 03:00 PM   #29
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Ask Swamp Jeep if it's rusted through yet....or if he still uses it.
It's well over 1.5 years old now.
Last time I saw it, it was fine... hehehe, but see my earlier post #5.. should had a better bung on it for the tapping point.

I know it blew a hose underhood when we were working on it, scared the crap out of us..
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Old February 24th, 2006, 06:37 AM   #30
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Do you finish grind your non structual welds? That is mostly the issue. Weld, grind, test, weld, grind test....

Only to have a pin hole show up later on.... I want a tank to keep a reserve so I don't have to have the compressor running ALL The time...
If your welds don't look like $hit, why grind them? I might on caps, but I quite often use sanding disks on a 4.5" grinder rather than a wheel. I guess for what kilby wants for a tank I can take a pice of rec. tube and make mine. You may actually end up with more storage in the end... the tanks you showed were only 2 gal anyway. I have 100% confidence in my welds. I welded up a 5 gallon air tank my future father in law punctured with a goose neck trailer, charged it to 110 psi, let it sit for 5 days and the pressure never changed, so I guess either I have a gift or I am lucky. I did NOT grind any of the welds on that tank. I scraped/ground the paint off the area to weld, welded it up, charged it and sent it down the road. That was 4 years ago and it still holds air. He usually has at least 80psi in the tank it it still does not leak down...
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Old February 24th, 2006, 07:48 AM   #31
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Old February 24th, 2006, 05:30 PM   #32
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Old February 25th, 2006, 12:25 AM   #33
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If your welds don't look like $hit, why grind them? I might on caps, but I quite often use sanding disks on a 4.5" grinder rather than a wheel. I guess for what kilby wants for a tank I can take a pice of rec. tube and make mine. You may actually end up with more storage in the end... the tanks you showed were only 2 gal anyway. I have 100% confidence in my welds. I welded up a 5 gallon air tank my future father in law punctured with a goose neck trailer, charged it to 110 psi, let it sit for 5 days and the pressure never changed, so I guess either I have a gift or I am lucky. I did NOT grind any of the welds on that tank. I scraped/ground the paint off the area to weld, welded it up, charged it and sent it down the road. That was 4 years ago and it still holds air. He usually has at least 80psi in the tank it it still does not leak down...
I don't think it's hard to burn a bead and have it be air tight. I think the problem is when you make end caps on box steel and you grind them to finish the look of the cap is the issue. I'm not saying it's not possible to make an airtank out of a bumper.... people do it every day. I'm saying IMHO it's easier for me to spend $50 on a tank, then a few hours trying to make my bumper pretty AND airtight. Pin holes may not bother some people, but they bother me.
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Old February 25th, 2006, 10:50 AM   #34
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I don't think it's hard to burn a bead and have it be air tight. I think the problem is when you make end caps on box steel and you grind them to finish the look of the cap is the issue. I'm not saying it's not possible to make an airtank out of a bumper.... people do it every day. I'm saying IMHO it's easier for me to spend $50 on a tank, then a few hours trying to make my bumper pretty AND airtight. Pin holes may not bother some people, but they bother me.

I don't get pin holes... 100% air tight
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Old February 26th, 2006, 08:15 PM   #35
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part of my problem was the tubing or pipe.. and i couldnt get the welder set right so it was burning good, it would either go through, or barley do anything.. it just takes time, and i still think it would be better than buying one..
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I've seen it done on a YJ in the front frame tube that connects the two sides together up front.
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Old March 14th, 2006, 10:22 PM   #37
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and about 300 bux poorer <(is that even a word?)
I like the idea of running a compressor better if i could get one of those tanks for free Im there !! but i dont see paying the money they cost.. id rather have a unlimited source of air with me..
Incorrect. I bought that exact tank from one of our venders (on ) last summer for around $150 bucks to my door. That tank holds enough CO2 to fill 45 33" tires and will do it a LOT faster than ANY compresor.
I don't know why anyone would need an unlimited source of air to fill four tires once in awhile I can wheel all summer and still have some left over.
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Old March 15th, 2006, 09:36 AM   #38
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Incorrect. I bought that exact tank from one of our venders (on ) last summer for around $150 bucks to my door. That tank holds enough CO2 to fill 45 33" tires and will do it a LOT faster than ANY compresor.
I don't know why anyone would need an unlimited source of air to fill four tires once in awhile I can wheel all summer and still have some left over.
Who'd you get a tank from for 150 bux ?? and my reasoning for wanting the unlimited source is u know once u get something like a Co2 Tank all of your buddies are gona wana fill up off of that too..
And im just too nice of a guy to say NO :tonka: :tonka:
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Old March 15th, 2006, 11:39 AM   #39
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Who'd you get a tank from for 150 bux ??
I picked up my 5lb tank filled (new of course) from a gas/welding shop in Rochester Hills, (Auburn & Dequindre, off Auburn).
One of the days I will get a regualtor but, all I really use it for right now is a glorified air gun.
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Old March 15th, 2006, 11:49 AM   #40
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I don't know why anyone would need an unlimited source of air to fill four tires once in awhile I can wheel all summer and still have some left over.
For those of us who go out in rocks etc and have the need for reseating tires, breaking out air tools to fix things etc.
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