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Old April 4th, 2007, 12:08 PM   #101
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Old April 4th, 2007, 12:18 PM   #102
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that's my vote!
Maybe thats the big difference, we are trying to celibrate the re-birth with happy times not dwelling on you will burn in hell if your thoughts are not as mine.

I do not belive in teaching by fear and do not belive that any god would either.
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Maybe thats the big difference, we are trying to celibrate the re-birth with happy times not dwelling on you will burn in hell if your thoughts are not as mine.

I do not belive in teaching by fear and do not belive that any god would either.
Miffy, lets be fair here. I am not saying that anyone will burn in hell if they think differently than I do. I am only saying that it seems both inconsistant and wrong to me. Just throwing my two pennies out there. You can do as you please and have fun, there is no hate and fear from me to you. If you are celebrating Christ, then I would NEVER work against you. If you got a different message from me, then please accept my apology for being a terrible communicator.
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Miffy, lets be fair here. I am not saying that anyone will burn in hell if they think differently than I do. I am only saying that it seems both inconsistant and wrong to me. Just throwing my two pennies out there. You can do as you please and have fun, there is no hate and fear from me to you. If you are celebrating Christ, then I would NEVER work against you. If you got a different message from me, then please accept my apology for being a terrible communicator.
If she was celebrating christ by killing jews?
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But why lie to them, and later tell them the truth?

I for one don't want my kid to celebrate a lie, regardless of if it makes them smile. They can smile just as big celebrating the real deal. "Guess what little Timmy, you don't have to die in your sins because Jesus did it for you. No Timmy, you are not getting a chocolate rabbit." See.. why would that not put a smile on a kid?
it gives children someting to believe in something that they can relate to when young it gives them something to praise and something to pas on to their kids its not a lie however do you think your kids will understand the life and death of jesus at 3 4 5 years old i for one know mine dont it is a way to get them started in the worshp of christ
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Miffy, lets be fair here. I am not saying that anyone will burn in hell if they think differently than I do. I am only saying that it seems both inconsistant and wrong to me. Just throwing my two pennies out there. You can do as you please and have fun, there is no hate and fear from me to you. If you are celebrating Christ, then I would NEVER work against you. If you got a different message from me, then please accept my apology for being a terrible communicator.
ok fair.

but wonder if your parent let you have a childhood? or if you were raised as you are raising your children? If that is the case I can understand you saying that it is no big deal. What you never had you would not miss. And in that case I would feel sorry for you because you missed out on something that most of us had as children.
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i cut myself because i never got a basket full of plastic grass and jellybeans. one cadbury creme egg could have made my life different, and i would never have killed that bum.
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ok fair.

but wonder if your parent let you have a childhood? or if you were raised as you are raising your children? If that is the case I can understand you saying that it is no big deal. What you never had you would not miss. And in that case I would feel sorry for you because you missed out on something that most of us had as children.
Thats the problem with Dave when he's argueing, he has a very narrow scope on the world. Can't understand directions he was nevre exposed to.

Also just seems a bit ignorant of what he's actually saying, sometimes. But the self-righteous usually are.
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Thats the problem with Dave when he's argueing, he has a very narrow scope on the world. Can't understand directions he was nevre exposed to.

Also just seems a bit ignorant of what he's actually saying, sometimes. But the self-righteous usually are.
It's not just Dave, and it was unfair for me to talk like it is. I am agrevated with alot of the people of the same faith because of the same reason.
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If she was celebrating christ by killing jews?
that would obviously be wrong, where are you trying to go with that?
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that would obviously be wrong, where are you trying to go with that?

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If you are celebrating Christ, then I would NEVER work against you..

Killing jews/blacks/muslims/indians/gays/pagans in the name of christ has been a popular pastime of your kind over the last two millenia.
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Killing jews/blacks/muslims/indians/gays/pagans in the name of christ has been a popular pastime of your kind over the last two millenia.
You are really stretching to hate on me right now. I was speaking of her choice to work the bunny into easter celebrations. Get real man, you're really being a jerk.
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it gives children someting to believe in something that they can relate to when young it gives them something to praise and something to pas on to their kids its not a lie however do you think your kids will understand the life and death of jesus at 3 4 5 years old i for one know mine dont it is a way to get them started in the worshp of christ
It DOES give children something to believe in, but it seems to me that is gives them the WRONG thing to believe in.

How does a child relate to a an easter bunny in a way that leads them to faith in Jesus?

I absolutely believe that a 3-5 year old can understand the story of Jesus, including his death for our sins, and his resurrection from the dead. Ever heard of the book/movie, The Chronicles Of Narnia? That is a perfect example of the story of Jesus retold in a different way for kids to understand. The difference between the Narnia and easter rabbit, is that one will lead the child toward Jesus, the other will confuse the child and not point them to Jesus.
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. I was speaking of her choice to work the bunny into easter celebrations. .
Man, you can't stop. See how you talk ^^^

The problem isn't 'her', the problem is YOU. You can't deal with what society has decree'd as the norm. You are railing against it, and trying to convince the world YOU are right, when they have already spoken.

drop it. you are wrong.

Man, I'd be careful. You know what happens when society deems you as a wrong, as a minority, as a deviant....
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ok fair.

but wonder if your parent let you have a childhood? or if you were raised as you are raising your children? If that is the case I can understand you saying that it is no big deal. What you never had you would not miss. And in that case I would feel sorry for you because you missed out on something that most of us had as children.
I was raised to believe in the santa, and later found it was not true. I was not appauled necessarily as a kid, but I was disturbed when my Mom acted like santa gave a present when I had already found it her closet three months prior. Now, I was raised as a Catholic, but we only went to church on occasion, and it was not a foundation in our lives. Here is the point: the greater tragedy is not that santa was fake, it was that I did not have an understanding of Christ. It was the end of the teen years that I finally heard the gospel, and the true loss is that I grew up as a kid without the truth.
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i was spanked once because i told on of my friends and his younger brother that Santa wasn't real. i was about 10 at the time, and the friend was a year younger. I am now a non-practicing atheist, and he is enrolled in a Christian college.
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HOLY CRAP!!!!! LOOK WHAT I STARTED!!!!!!

The origional post was a joke..... Something to get a good laugh from people not to end Easter!

Before I even get into the topic of the Easter Celebration, let me tell you that I have been Strong Catholic my entire life, and the Easter season is the most important season in the Catholic society. I will be happy to discuss further of what I believe and why I believe the things I do.

I believe that in order to understand what you believe today, you must know where your beliefs came from in order to know why you believe what you believe.

Centuries before Christ, Easter was actually a celebration of Spring and new life practiced by Pegans who celebrated the re-birth of the earth during the Vernal Equinox. The Hare (bunny) was the sacred animal of the Goddess Eostre/Ostara (the Goddess of Spring), named Lepus, and was believed to be the symbol of fertility ("boinking like rabbits").

According to Teutonic myth, the hare was once a bird whom Eostre changed into a four-footed creature. Thus, it can also lay eggs. The hare is also the sacred companion and sacrificial victim of Eostre. Astarte (a Phoenician/Syrian goddess), on the other hand, was believed to have been hatched from a huge egg which fell into the Euphrates.
In almost all cultures in the world the Incredible Egg is a symbol of a new beginning. An ancient latin proverb is Omne vivum ex ovo which means "all life comes from an egg".

In the early day of Christianity, in the 4th century A.D., The Christian leaders found that it was easier to convert pegans into christians if they kept the celebrations the pegans praticed...... This is why a lot of Pegan customs are popular in todays christian holidays....... Christmas and the Winter Solstice (dec 21) and the Pine Tree.

Once you understand where traditions have originated, you can make your own decisions to partake in the traditions of the holidays.

Be a free thinker and not a sheep that follows the herd!

Here are a couple of good sites to read.
http://www.bright.net/~1wayonly/easter.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm
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Wow! After posting, I read back over the posts......

all I can say is WOW!
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Man, you can't stop. See how you talk ^^^

The problem isn't 'her', the problem is YOU. You can't deal with what society has decree'd as the norm. You are railing against it, and trying to convince the world YOU are right, when they have already spoken.

drop it. you are wrong.

Man, I'd be careful. You know what happens when society deems you as a wrong, as a minority, as a deviant....
Miffy, did I offend you when I pointed out that you include the easter bunny in your easter celebration?

Hag, just because society deems something as norm does not mean it is right. With that mentality, I should have been drunk and high in high school, I should be working a dead end job now, and I should be screwing my girlfriend and becoming her baby daddy. So just because soceity deems it a norm, that means I should conform and do it. Thanks for the enlightenment.

So if I disagree with soceity, it is going to kick my butt? If you are gonna threaten me, then do it, don't beat around the bush. But if this whole of yours is to prove the size of your penis, then I'm not interested in looking.
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I was raised to believe in the santa, and later found it was not true. I was not appauled necessarily as a kid, but I was disturbed when my Mom acted like santa gave a present when I had already found it her closet three months prior. Now, I was raised as a Catholic, but we only went to church on occasion, and it was not a foundation in our lives. Here is the point: the greater tragedy is not that santa was fake, it was that I did not have an understanding of Christ. It was the end of the teen years that I finally heard the gospel, and the true loss is that I grew up as a kid without the truth.

Why is that a tragedy? the truth is only what you want it to be. not everyone believes that to be the truth, so it's not a tragedy. again, you're trying to tell everyone that the gospel is the only RIGHT thing. Jewish people use the Old Testament, but not the gospels... and that doesn't make their faith any less strong or wrong.

religious people have always had a "santa" of sorts--check out this site for some history, and traditions and you'll see how much "Santa" is intertwined with religion. He actually started out as a Saint, which, last time I checked, was a religious figure. So, there's perfectly good reasons to support your children believing in him. http://www.ponddoc.com/WhatsUpDoc/Ho...toryStNick.htm
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