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Old April 3rd, 2007, 08:55 PM   #21
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I thought you said NO fairy tales ? now look what your doing , spreading your version of the faiy tale .
At least the story I followed was with REAL human beings who actually walked the Earth, not some made up creature with a costume.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 08:57 PM   #22
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ok this is not a big issue as loung as they get the real meaning why take it away
Why give it in the first place if it only confuses the actual meaning?
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:01 PM   #23
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At least the story I followed was with REAL human beings who actually walked the Earth, not some made up creature with a costume.
santa = st. nick = real human who kinda got famous
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:03 PM   #24
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if im gonna teach my kid some mythological bullshit id rather it was a furry bunny that brings eggs and candy instead of some poor bastard nailled up so some church can have total blind loyalty of some such as yourself.

were keeping the bunny
I understand the whole mythological bullcrap comment, but the blind loyalty thing was a below the belt.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:07 PM   #25
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santa = st. nick = real human who kinda got famous
no, santa does not equal saint nick. Santa = dollar bills.

nor does santa = birth of Jesus.

Face the facts here people, Christmas is about Jesus. Easter is about Jesus. And it is intellectually dishonest to celebrate a christian holiday if said holidy is not about Jesus Christ.

To have some mock celebration with overgrown fary tales is ludicrous. Jews don't celebrate Christmas and Easter, why? Because they are waiting for a better savior and they don't recognize Jesus' landmark events. So why, then, is it common practice for people to assemble on a christian holiday when they may not actually follow Christ?
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:08 PM   #26
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i·dol (īd'l) Pronunciation Key
n.

An image used as an object of worship.
A false god.
One that is adored, often blindly or excessively.
Something visible but without substance.
Example: the easter bunny
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:15 PM   #27
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Why do you think that a two year old cannot understand Jesus?

If a two year old can believe in a gigantic rabbit and a jolly santa, why would the story of Jesus be beyond their comprehension?
got to give it to ya on this one dave.
my three year old understands makebelieve
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:16 PM   #28
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nah, but that's how st. nick started out. it evolved into a money thing later.

it turned into common practice b/c of tradition. Later generations may not believe, but still practice the family get togethers. Many in my family believe, and many are apathetic.

It may be for the 'wrong' reason, but i don't think i'll ever give crap to people who do celebrate a tradition with their families. It's still about tradition and being together, and in doing so, they are celebrating life. In this day n age, I'd much rather have families and friends keep in touch b/c of a "ludicrous" crap, than for ties to fall a part. The structure of tradition is important to me, and i believe, to our society.

and if you read my 1st post in this thread, I feel the same as you, just not as... hardcore. so don't eat me.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:34 PM   #29
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At least the story I followed was with REAL human beings who actually walked the Earth, not some made up creature with a costume.

thats never been proven. and no the bible is not proof

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I understand the whole mythological bullcrap comment, but the blind loyalty thing was a below the belt.
you are rite, i am sorry that was an uncalledfor attack on you
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:46 PM   #30
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I have no problem with any of it. The early Christian Churches were kinda asking for trouble like this when they tried to replace the pagan celebrations of the winter solstice and spring equonox with Christmas and Easter.

I bet there was a time when pagans complained about everything suddenly being about Jesus rather than the position of the earth and the sun.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 09:59 PM   #31
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Here's the way I see it: If Kerwin told my boy there was no easter bunny, I'd gut his preachy ass. My defense: He told me to find jesus. Also said Jesus was in his heart. So I was opening him up to take a look-see.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 10:02 PM   #32
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This is just my opinion, but the problem with a child truly understanding the meaning of the story of christ, is that a young child has no concept of the sacrifice that christ made.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 10:10 PM   #33
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Here's the way I see it: If Kerwin told my boy there was no easter bunny, I'd gut his preachy ass. My defense: He told me to find jesus. Also said Jesus was in his heart. So I was opening him up to take a look-see.
that is the funnyest thing i have ever seen you post
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 10:16 PM   #34
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thats gay this bunny thing is my major source of income for the week if anyone sais to me that they should take the bunny out of easter. im gonna be takin them out of the restaurant. they are gonna wish they dint mess with this bunny. lmao
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 10:38 PM   #35
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But why lie to them, and later tell them the truth?
This is one of those comments made by "Righteous Young New Parents"
it goes along with "my kid will never have sugar/twinkies/koolaid" or "not MY kid".

Some of the most fun memories we have would fall under your description of lies. Like when I planted an indian arrowhead in the sand for my daughter to find, or when the leprechauns visited at night and left shamrock confetti in her bed, or the "gasp" toothfairy.

In celebrating the holiday it is YOUR job as a parent to interject your religious beliefs. My kids learned to love the bunny and holiday and later to love the story of the resurrection. They can co-exist....can't we all just get along? Wouldn't that be the "Christian" thing to do?
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 10:40 PM   #36
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By the way...last year someone asked me why we had the Easter Bunny at our restaurant and not a bloody guy nailed to a cross walking around. He wasn't kidding.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 10:42 PM   #37
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no, santa does not equal saint nick. Santa = dollar bills.

nor does santa = birth of Jesus.

Face the facts here people, Christmas is about Jesus. Easter is about Jesus. And it is intellectually dishonest to celebrate a christian holiday if said holidy is not about Jesus Christ.

To have some mock celebration with overgrown fary tales is ludicrous. Jews don't celebrate Christmas and Easter, why? Because they are waiting for a better savior and they don't recognize Jesus' landmark events. So why, then, is it common practice for people to assemble on a christian holiday when they may not actually follow Christ?
Because You as a christian take heathens into
help them see the light.

and bring joy for all man kind as he would want you to do. Not take out your aggreshions on children and any enjoyment they may get. Do you punish you children for play pretending also? Do you let them have toys? watch cartoons?
I sure am glad your not my dad!!

We sure do not see the same on this point. So I agree to dis-agree with you on this.

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Old April 3rd, 2007, 10:54 PM   #38
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Easter Bunny needs to die, why lie to our children and make up a fairy tale about something that has NOTHING to do with the reason we celebrate? We celebrate because Jesus did not stay in the grave, he conquered death, and thereby conquered our sins. He rose from the dead, so we too will rise. Why cloud that with some random bunny? It is wrong IMO. I for one, and not gonna lie to my kid about jolly santa and fat rabbit.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 11:03 PM   #39
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Frank the bunny rocks!!!
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 11:32 PM   #40
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Here was are approach with the kids , Miff took care of teaching them of relgion . I took care to teach them to think for there selfs . 2 bieleve and 1 does not .

Put all the options on the table for the child to see , you Dave force your thoughts which to me is a way to mask the truth .
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