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View Poll Results: Is it fair to sin tax cigarettes and liquor?
Yes. It is unfair. 26 54.17%
No. I say tax it. 16 33.33%
"You should quit smoking and drinking and it wouldn't bother you." 6 12.50%
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Old March 9th, 2007, 06:51 PM   #1
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Do you think that it is fair to tax cigarettes and liquor so heavily in comparison to other goods?

I am a pack a day smoker, and an occasional drinker, so maybe I am biased, but I think that it is bullshit to keep taxing smokes and liquor. Why not milk? They would make a hell of a lot more money doing 2 cents on milk than 5 cents on smokes?

EDIT: I screwed up the poll options. Yes means you think it is unfair, no means you think that it is fair.

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Old March 9th, 2007, 07:22 PM   #2
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I say tax em, I used to smoke a pack a day and I drink, but its not something essential, if you have to go a day without ciggerets you will be fine, but if a child has to go a day without its milk its not, they are also considered "controlled substance" so your basically paying the government to try and keep your kids from smoking.
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who makes the decision on what's essential? I quit smoking 5 years ago, but still drink, albeit not that often, but still think that the "sin tax" is a load of bs. This is a very small bandaid that needs to cover a gaping wound!
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I drink RedDog and the Beast. Tax all you want, it'll still be cheap.:stan3:
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who makes the decision on what's essential? I quit smoking 5 years ago, but still drink, albeit not that often, but still think that the "sin tax" is a load of bs. This is a very small bandaid that needs to cover a gaping wound!
I agree. They say that milk is essential. I agree. If you cannot afford milk, you get assistance in buying it. It will not make a difference to the average family if you raise it 3 cents a gallon, and the people who would be affected by the increase are probably buying it with their food stamps anyway.
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I used to smoke, and still drink.

I think it is a dumb tax because it taxes a minority, whether it is by choice or not. The minority thing may be arguable, but raising the taxes on cigarettes is just going to continually decrease sales. Kind of has a backwards effect if they really want to gain money from this tax.

Tax across the board on something just about everyone uses, but with a lower amount.
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I think it works good. Smoking is nasty, and both drinking and smoking can kill ya.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 01:10 AM   #8
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tax the death sticks. but i dont know about the drinks though
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I'll come visit you while your getting your voice box removed from them things. I know a couple guys who use the mister microphone thing to talk with and thats just sad. when my mom was in the hospital 25 years ago she was in the ward with the smokers. they would be in the hall smoking threw the hole at the base of their neck...have fun!
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As a smoker and non drinker I have always thought they should screw the drinkers in the same manor the smokers do. If taxed the same how long do you think the legislature who voted it in would be in office..

Ever seen a drinkers liver or smokers lungs ? WTF cares its their choice to make.
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I used to smoke, and really dont drink. I hate the idea of a sin tax. It always sounds good to tax the shit out of something you dont do.
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I think it works good. Smoking is nasty, and both drinking and smoking can kill ya.
Walking down the stairs and driving a car can kill me to. Should they tax that?

All you do by raising the taxes, is make the worthless assholes have to spend more money on their habits and less on feeding their children.
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tax the death sticks. but i dont know about the drinks though
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Ever seen a drinkers liver or smokers lungs ? WTF cares its their choice to make.
Smoking affects non-smokers around them. You can't say the same about drinking.


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Smoking affects non-smokers around them. You can't say the same about drinking.

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I disagree. Drinking can lead to you being an asshole, therefore affecting the people around you. People smoking behind the wheel is not illegal, drinking is. I would be willing to bet that drunk drivers kill more people than second hand smoke.
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ok my family is all aloholeas chewing tacbo and skomers but i think its unfar to tax the poor man how about taxing repairs done on automobolies poor peps do there own work anyways
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I say tax the shit outta the tobacco and Alcohol......

I smoke and drink. It is my choice to do so. I would rather pay the Sin Tax and get some, what I think is a pleasurable benefit, than to have to foot the bill through other 'common' taxes to make up for the lost money.

Its political economics! When tax money is removed from programs the State has to, either end the programs that the tax money supports or replace the funds to keep the programs running at a functional level. To do this the State will have to increase the tax on something else to make the necessary funding provisions.

The states are in sort of a no win situation. By increasing the Sin Taxes, the state faces the posibility of losing smokers/drinkers and in turn loses out on the potential money, or the state decreases the taxes and loses money. However the latter decision could turn to be profitable for the state by the potential of more people smoking/drinking, but this in turn will increase future medical costs funded by the state to support the smoking/drinking related illnesses.

The amount of revenu the Sin Tax provides for each state is astounding!

I just read that Minnesota imposed a $1.00 tax increase on every pack of cigarettes along with a cessation program and It was extremely sucessful...... After about a year the cessation program had to be stopped and the taxes lowered due to the amout of money the state lost from the decrease of tobacco sales.

after a quick google search, I found these two articles in relation to the topic.

Here is information on the MN tobacco tax and cessation program:
http://http://www.smokefreecoalition...102&id=465&p=1

Here is a link to the tax deficit:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785521/posts

Both are good reads!
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ok my family is all aloholeas chewing tacbo and skomers but i think its unfar to tax the poor man how about taxing repairs done on automobolies poor peps do there own work anyways
We are not talking about taxing aloholeas or chewing tacbo, so your family should be ok there. Also, the skomers have nothing to worry about.
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I say tax the shit outta the tobacco and Alcohol......

I smoke and drink. It is my choice to do so. I would rather pay the Sin Tax and get some, what I think is a pleasurable benefit, than to have to foot the bill through other 'common' taxes to make up for the lost money.

Its political economics! When tax money is removed from programs the State has to, either end the programs that the tax money supports or replace the funds to keep the programs running at a functional level. To do this the State will have to increase the tax on something else to make the necessary funding provisions.

The states are in sort of a no win situation. By increasing the Sin Taxes, the state faces the posibility of losing smokers/drinkers and in turn loses out on the potential money, or the state decreases the taxes and loses money. However the latter decision could turn to be profitable for the state by the potential of more people smoking/drinking, but this in turn will increase future medical costs funded by the state to support the smoking/drinking related illnesses.

The amount of revenu the Sin Tax provides for each state is astounding!

I just read that Minnesota imposed a $1.00 tax increase on every pack of cigarettes along with a cessation program and It was extremely sucessful...... After about a year the cessation program had to be stopped and the taxes lowered due to the amout of money the state lost from the decrease of tobacco sales.

after a quick google search, I found these two articles in relation to the topic.

Here is information on the MN tobacco tax and cessation program:
http://http://www.smokefreecoalition...102&id=465&p=1

Here is a link to the tax deficit:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785521/posts

Both are good reads!
Great arguments and I do agree to some extent. I always said that when I couldn't afford to smoke, I would quit. They are pleasures. My point is, that you can make more more off smaller taxes by taxing other things. It is the walmart philosophy- if you sell more product for less profit, then you will be very profitable. Instead of making $.10 on 10 products sold, you can make $.05 on 20 products sold, and you make the same profit.
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Great arguments and I do agree to some extent. I always said that when I couldn't afford to smoke, I would quit. They are pleasures. My point is, that you can make more more off smaller taxes by taxing other things. It is the walmart philosophy- if you sell more product for less profit, then you will be very profitable. Instead of making $.10 on 10 products sold, you can make $.05 on 20 products sold, and you make the same profit.
So, If I understand you correctly, you say remove/lower the "sin taxes" from the few individuals that use them and impose.......... lets say....... a higher overall sales tax......figuratively from 6% to 9%?

If I understand you correctly, Who is to benefit if this is done? The State or the tax payers? If its Honest Joe, the non-sinner, how would he benefit? the state would obviously gain the revenu, but we as tax payers really don't have a say on how that money is appropriated. Well, we don't really have a say now, do we?
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So, If I understand you correctly, you say remove/lower the "sin taxes" from the few individuals that use them and impose.......... lets say....... a higher overall sales tax......figuratively from 6% to 9%?

If I understand you correctly, Who is to benefit if this is done? The State or the tax payers? If its Honest Joe, the non-sinner, how would he benefit? the state would obviously gain the revenu, but we as tax payers really don't have a say on how that money is appropriated. Well, we don't really have a say now, do we?
Again I agree and disagree.

The state needs money. Why? Something is wrong when they make so much money on the lottery, and still we decline. This is not the first, or even the second time that they are going to raise cigarette prices since I have been a smoker. They continue to slam the smokers, when the whole state, smokers and non smokers need to help get the economy back.

Let's use Milk as an example, not a good one, but bear with me. There are more gallons of milk sold in a day, then packs of cigarettes, (I would think, no research to back it up) So if you tax something a penny that everyone buys, instead of things that not everyone buys a nickel, you would be better off in the long run.

The big thing that I mentioned before, is that the people that really suffer when you raise the cig and liquor tax are the children. When I worked at a gas station, it was when the price jumped huge on cigarettes a few years ago, people would come in with coin collections and old dollars that were collectables and spend them on ciagrettes. Unfortunatly, if you raise the price of cigs 5 dollars a pack, there are a lot of trash people that will take food off the table to get their smokes, and they don't care if the kids eat, as long as they got their shit. It is sad, and I have seen it first hand.
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