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Old January 24th, 2006, 08:50 AM   #1
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I've worked on an assembly line 10 of the 12 years i've been employed at DaimlerChrysler.It's clear to me none of you know this life. Also for those who think that assyembly line work is not skilled labor,your right.
As for hourly wage,most earn it,some do not.

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Old January 24th, 2006, 08:58 AM   #2
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A story from my past:


I have done quite a bit of wiring harness evaluation in plants. We were trying to get the MOST bus installed on some of the higher level cars (LX, HB, WK, RT..) and needed to look at wiring process in the plants. MOST is fiber optic and has specific requriements for handling, bend radius, etc.

There was a particular connector which was having a high failure rate on a line. After double checking the harness supplier, and earlier handling steps, someone was stationed to watch the guy installing the harness. As a body moved to his station, he's chucking the harness through the window into the car. every now and then, the connector in question would snag on the window opening and some were getting damaged. So, he was confronted why he was throwing it, and if he could be more careful. He replied, nope, he would keep throwing them, and pointed out the wording in his work instruction: "Throw harness into vehicle"....
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Old January 24th, 2006, 09:01 AM   #3
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I have done quite a bit of wiring harness evaluation in plants. We were trying to get the MOST bus installed on some of the higher level cars (LX, HB, WK, RT..) and needed to look at wiring process in the plants. MOST is fiber optic and has specific requriements for handling, bend radius, etc.

There was a particular connector which was having a high failure rate on a line. After double checking the harness supplier, and earlier handling steps, someone was stationed to watch the guy installing the harness. As a body moved to his station, he's chucking the harness through the window into the car. every now and then, the connector in question would snag on the window opening and some were getting damaged. So, he was confronted why he was throwing it, and if he could be more careful. He replied, nope, he would keep throwing them, and pointed out the wording in his work instruction: "Throw harness into vehicle"....



like i said, most earn it, some do not.

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Old January 24th, 2006, 09:08 AM   #4
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My dad is going on his 33rd yr or something at GM on the assembly line..
i dont know the story behind this thread but i do know "the life" u're speakin of cause i hear about it everyday !
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Old January 24th, 2006, 09:19 AM   #5
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untill you walk in someone elses shoes you should not judge. doing the same thing over and over every day in a factory I could not do. I would become so board I would break the machine to have a change. I give credit to all the people on these lines .

I worked McDonalds for 3 months and had enough of that!!
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Old January 24th, 2006, 09:19 AM   #6
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me too, I work in a R & D shop, but the mentaity is to run it like production. the stuff we could do last year doesn't applie anymore and the managers want to write you up for doing the slightest thing out of line with your job. I was told by my forman that "I was not alowed to think out side the box". whitch is the exact opposite of how the shop has been run for the last 30 years. I have hunch the current managment will self destruct, its just a matter of time.
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Old January 24th, 2006, 09:22 AM   #7
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Been there, done that. I've never been an actual hourly direct employee. I am still classified as salaried contractor. BUT...I've spent significant time (usually around 3 weeks worth of 14 hour days/ night) in enough assembly plants to have seen both sides of the fence. 8 to be exact. I've seen everything from the guy busting his hump to get the job done and making sure that it's done correctly every single time, all the way down to the guy who could give a crap less, crossthreading/ stripping every bolt, and pissing/ moaning about every second he has to spend on the line.

That having been said, I know that certain plants seem to have more of one kind than the other. The Canadian plants seemed to run rampant with people that actually care about their jobs and realize that they have a great job (for now). Then, some of the other plants (like those near Michigan Ave) have people doing burnouts, smoking in the vehicles, and generally exploiting the system. It is THOSE people that ruin the image of the assembly line worker, because even though they do the least work, they are the most vocal when it comes to complaining about it. I wish for once that they would have to see things from the other side of the fence, realize that the people designing, testing, and engineering the cars they are building, often get paid less than they do.

Now that having been said, is plant pay fair? In some cases yes. The guy that works his fair share for 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week without complaining for some stupid reason ("I don't know why I can't smoke at my station" "You work at the fuel fill station, jackass"), HE DESERVES HIS PAY. The "skilled trades" guy that wanders around in his cushman all day long and never touches a single machine/pipe/electrical outlet DOES NOT DESERVE $31/hr. And don't try to tell me thats not what they get paid. I've seen the negotiated salary cap and its $33.25 (last I saw, a year ago). Again, if he busts his butt and gets every job done in a quality and timely fashion, he deserves that money.

I've said enough. I'm probably gonna get flamed to death by all of the pipefitters, machinists, tool makers, or electricians. Have at it.
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Old January 24th, 2006, 09:27 AM   #8
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factory rat i cant say your paid to much since i dont know what you earn. I do know that if you are not overpaid at your current job, get laid off you should be able to find a job right away for same amout or more, with attractive offers from mulitple companies.

If you have to take a 40 % pay cut to find a job, then you were overpaid.
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I've worked on an assembly line 10 of the 12 years i've been employed at DaimlerChrysler.It's clear to me none of you know this life. Also for those who think that assyembly line work is not skilled labor,your right.
As for hourly wage,most earn it,some do not.

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There has been a lot said about the wage of the UAW factory worker on this site. Most from people who has never experienced it. I'm a salaried GM worker, and IMO I don't think your over paid. I WOULD NOT want to do many of the jobs in the factory. If they think your over paid, it's time to review ALL jobs. I see some Goverment jobs that I think are over paid....
I think you said it right by saying "As for hourly wage,most earn it,some do not." The UAW worker has been stereo-typed for years. Miffy also made a good comment with "Don't judge until you walk in the shoes".

Tough time right now in the auto industry, thats for sure.

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I have a headache and did not want to post but.......

I worked the assembly line when I was training at NUMMI, It sucked ass. I hung gas tanks and installed fuel fillers and fuel lines. It is very repetitive and not at all enjoyable. I say the UAW folks should make as much as the OEM is willing to pay them.

Look around, in every country the OEM operators make much more than the suppliers operators.

Let me end this by saying my wife & I but at least one new car every two years, so the pricing does not make me bitch. Most of the people complaining are the ones who want to be paid more, but bitch about the cost...you cannot have it both ways.
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You're a tool FactoryRat

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Which all boils down to the fact that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible to get rid of the workers who don't give a crap and do crappy work.

I don't have an issue with anyone's salary, I think most of us have issues with the people who get paid, but don't do the work well, and the fact they are protected by the union, so nothing gets done about it.

If unions could/would get their workers a decent salary/benefits, etc, AND help flush the ones who don't do a good job. There would be a lot less complaining.
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Old January 24th, 2006, 11:42 AM   #15
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I'll say this, working for a high quality tier 1 supplier, when we are hiring, and we get a resume from someone at the Big 3, it goes in the garbage. The longer they've worked there, the more out of touch they will be with anything that involves the words: "Design" or "Engineering"
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There has been a lot said about the wage of the UAW factory worker on this site. Most from people who has never experienced it. I'm a salaried GM worker, and IMO I don't think your over paid. I WOULD NOT want to do many of the jobs in the factory. If they think your over paid, it's time to review ALL jobs. I see some Goverment jobs that I think are over paid....
I think you said it right by saying "As for hourly wage,most earn it,some do not." The UAW worker has been stereo-typed for years. Miffy also made a good comment with "Don't judge until you walk in the shoes".

Tough time right now in the auto industry, thats for sure.

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So we should base pay scales on whether or not a job sucks???? Come on...
What ever happened to factoring pay scales based off of the education and skills required to do a job. If the markret is fat, let the autoworkers get what they can. Its called capitalism! However, when the market is failing, let them live with the consequences of living fat and keep the whining to themselves.
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Old January 24th, 2006, 12:01 PM   #17
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So we should base pay scales on whether or not a job sucks???? Come on...
What ever happened to factoring pay scales based off of the education and skills required to do a job. If the markret is fat, let the autoworkers get what they can. Its called capitalism! However, when the market is failing, let them live with the consequences of living fat and keep the whining to themselves.

though if you dont pay for a job no one wants to do... then no one will do it.

I know a few guys that make really good money pumping septics and porta jons because no one will do it for 6 bux an hour, its just not worth it.

Hell even the illegals would probably avoid that
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Old January 24th, 2006, 12:15 PM   #18
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Your over paid

so is Stan Um in not sure what Stan does but hes your brother so hes over paid too :gman:
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Stan is a business owner just like you... so having said that. I think you are paid too much. Tell Miffy to cut your salary! :tonka:
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Stan is a business owner just like you... so having said that. I think you are paid too much. Tell Miffy to cut your salary! :tonka:
More then once iv been called an over paid red neck . Id argue it if i had a foot to stand on
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