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Old March 7th, 2007, 08:24 PM   #61
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I love how you guys are turning this thread into something about myself instead of keeping it on track of Jenny is doing the best she can with what she has and is looking to try new ideas because the current ones do not appear to be working.

O yeah, can someone please explain to CC what a mill is. He seems to think that it's not some sort of tax.

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No, you're turning it into something about yourself. When we ask you about where your experience comes from and you say a minor in econ that says something. when someone else proves you wrong because he has more education and more experience in the area that you are talking about, you debunk him by claiming your logic is infallable. That says something else too, it says you're too immature to be taken seriously.

That being said, I myself as well as the members of GL would take 87YJ more seriously in this area because he has more experience about what you speak of. We would take you seriously, however your past history will always come back to haunt you, Just like Constipation(boggin boy), Vwboy, 4x4fanatic, and Sova.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 09:38 PM   #62
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For me, it's not all republican or democratic, it's about who I think will do the best job.

I guess what I'm asking (in a nice and serious way) is to convince me of my error in supporting Granholm. Give me what you feel are other examples of her doing a poor job.


I hope you are being a funny guy. Has she done anything that helps the state? If so it must be in the U.P. She hasnt done any good for S.E. MI, thats for sure.

I am OPTIMISTIC she will get hit by a bus, then the state might have a change.

So now that she is in her second term can she blame the person that was in office before her for the condition of our economy? Oh wait that is her. Never mind.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 10:16 PM   #63
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Regardless if a mill is not permanent it is still a tax and if the government had more money (which it could achieve by raising taxes) then your local schools, police, FD and other government funded workplaces would not have to ask their town to pass a mill for them.
I think local things like police, fire, and schools should be funded primarily through a local millage.
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I read every thread here. It started out every interesting and as soon as chiefwoohaw started flaping his gums everyone clamed up. I think that is quarter the problem with this state, we voice our concerns and the second we are challenged we back off. (in any subject) I own 2 small businesses in west michigan and I feel the sting of the small business tax every year. and now loosing that tax to gain a service tax terrifies me. Michigan small businesses are doing very well we are the glue that helps hold corp. business together through good and poor times. For example. JCI in west michigan is moving out every quickly 1000's of posisions at a time, now you look at the spouses of those posisions leaving too. The small businesses that provide contract work for the larger corps. who cant just close the doors and move with the corp. now have to rely on new corps. who need the same or simular business done for a competing wage. My first business is service to real estate which the west michigan market has taken and is taking a huge hit. large mortgage companies are bull marketing to everyone from first time home buyers to the elderly. If the "middle class" does not wise up to these banks the middle class will be a thing of the past. I have seen more foreclosed homes in 06-07 than I have ever seen in my business. People think a home equity loan is free money, they buy big screen tv's, washers dryers, vacations, and end up loosing there homes within 12 months. Listen to the radio and tv the only people advertising are lawyers for every disease and drunk driving, and mortgage companies telling you to refi your home to save money every month and put a fat check in your pocket. (that you have to some how pay back at an adjustable rate that is on a steady incline.) The majority of large construction at least in West Michigan are banks large banks. their is a reason for that, credit cards for people and businesses is at an all time high, the mega high interest rates on those cards (average 18% and high of 29%) we hold are building those buildings. The rich will continue to get richer and the poor will get poorer. We as business owners and works, union and non union need to educate ourselves financially so we do not have to depend on Michigan or Federal GOV'T for bad times. It is not the gov'ts job to bail us out of financial problems and I think that we are in that mind set that the govt "owes us" and that is not what our fore father intended. The media is having a hay day with the fact Michigan is doing so poorly in reality we arent that bad, but because all they cover is the job loss, interest rate hikes and murders over money, we are brain washed into thinking negitively. We need to get positive, get financially educated and get ourselves out of debt at home. Everyone needs to contribute. By the way I think it is funny when we get kicking Jenny's name around in the negtive light nobody admits to voting for her but she had more votes than DeVos to win.
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this is a never ending carousel ride, unemployment is only the tip, what about all the derelicts that steal or worse and get throwed in jail. the taxpayers pay for their room and board, entertainment.
this state needs to adapt capital punishment, as a matter of fact all state's need this.

this can be a very giving country, but there's a point where you give too much and people take advantage.
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Something you guys are overlooking is that this is a goods and services tax. Since we are a manufacturer, every time we pay a local vendor to perform a task on a part, (heat treating, grinding, machining, paint, etc) we now have to pay another 2% for their service. This drives up the cost of our product. Most of our products are shipped out of state and there are competitors from around the country bidding on the work. In our world of extremely competitive pricing, this may make the difference between getting the work or not.

So it goes way beyond the example CC was giving on the battery. It affects our ability to sell on a world wide basis.

5 years ago the owners of our company were going to move the business out of state. The only reason they did not go was due to the loyalty they had for their employees. If the manufacturing in this state continues to decline, I forsee the day when they move anyway.
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I dont think they all clamed up I think they just get sick of the CheifYahoo talking about shit he dont know!! There for its kind of like BEATING a DEAD HORSE to continue on....
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When everyone around you has the same raise in price then it doesn't effect you as nearly as if would if just yourself had the price raise. This might effect MI counties that are close to the OH/IN border but it seems to me that MI is a pennisula and it's hard to just hope over to another state to buy something because it's cheaper. You can buy on the internet which has been happening for a long time but it can't replace that I need it now practice.

Supply and demand to apply all things being equal in this situation but not as much when the whole stucture of MI business is equally effected.

But, the situation is equal see. If an international business that has branches all over the US is in MI, then they realize the current state of suck that MI is in, which is why many are leaving. If a company can move their headquarters to another, more business friendly state, then why wouldn't they do so?

We aren't just talking about supply and demand in MI as many of these companies sell their products world wide. They must compete with the supply and demand of an INTERNATIONAL market. MI just can't offer the leg up that many of these companies need to win! The proof is in the lose of business.


We are in an international market now. Most unions, high business taxes, insurance restrictions, etc only kill companies any more. Thats why many move to Georgia, the carolinas and Texas

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I love how you guys are turning this thread into something about myself instead of keeping it on track of Jenny is doing the best she can with what she has and is looking to try new ideas because the current ones do not appear to be working.

O yeah, can someone please explain to CC what a mill is. He seems to think that it's not some sort of tax.

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People are turning this thread around on you becuase you are a dumbass. Your responses couldn't be more scripted...fresh out of a textbook. Then you think we would be impressed when you tell us about your "minor in economics". That just supports the fact that you are one of those arrogant pricks who spent thousands of dollars to learn a bunch of bullshit from liberal professors. Show us some real world experince...like having a job, owning a home, paying taxes, etc. and maybe you'll gain some respect...and maybe even some knowledge about how things really are.
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I wouldn't say scripted more like generalized. you bitch about taxes supporting welfare, he brings up that cc doesn't know what a mil is (yeah right). you talk about price discrepancies, he talks about supply and demand. You talk about the loss of goods due to high union or labor costs, he claims global market.


The problem with these things is there is nothing I have listed that we haven't heard, and most of us have enough experience with the shit he pulls out of left field to know he's not fully educated.

I agree with you FrankNBrew, he does need the experience that only a job and a life can teach him. Whether he realizes he may be wrong is another story.

Oh yea and the .... The Boss <==>Cheifwoohaw


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Old March 8th, 2007, 09:22 PM   #71
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But, the situation is equal see. If an international business that has branches all over the US is in MI, then they realize the current state of suck that MI is in, which is why many are leaving. If a company can move their headquarters to another, more business friendly state, then why wouldn't they do so?

We aren't just talking about supply and demand in MI as many of these companies sell their products world wide. They must compete with the supply and demand of an INTERNATIONAL market. MI just can't offer the leg up that many of these companies need to win! The proof is in the lose of business.


We are in an international market now. Most unions, high business taxes, insurance restrictions, etc only kill companies any more. Thats why many move to Georgia, the carolinas and Texas
True true. I was going more in the mom and pop stores or small business that isn't with it with internet sales and aren't able to move across state lines which puts them back in the same boat with similar industries of the same size in MI but your point is valid for the larger company and with them a large amount of jobs which has the potential to be lost if they do move out of MI.
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True true. I was going more in the mom and pop stores or small business that isn't with it with internet sales and aren't able to move across state lines which puts them back in the same boat with similar industries of the same size in MI but your point is valid for the larger company and with them a large amount of jobs which has the potential to be lost if they do move out of MI.
Is it just me, or do you ignore posts directed right at you?
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Old March 9th, 2007, 04:28 AM   #73
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Is it just me, or do you ignore posts directed right at you?

Its not just you, I think its a free thinker thing.
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Is it just me, or do you ignore posts directed right at you?
I could replay to F&B that I have enough real world knowledge to know that you can't take sharp corners fast in a lifted XJ.

I could replay to Ckupq that I hope they raise taxes so MI schools can have enough money to pay the worthless liberal teachers to teach and then maybe MI could graduate folks *cough*like me*cough* and then we can move away from being an automotive dominated state.

But I don't becuase I try to keep things on the subject of the thread for instance Jenny is doing the best she can with the money she has but she does not have enough so she must find alternative ways to raise it and keep funding public works. Those ways come through taxes.

Pretty simple stuff here but go ahead and bitch. If it was Devos doing the same thing I bet the wouldn't have said a word.
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I agree jenny is doing her best.
























Unfortunately her best is nowhere near good enough.
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She may be doing "her" best but in my book it's not good enough.
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I could replay to F&B that I have enough real world knowledge to know that you can't take sharp corners fast in a lifted XJ.

Then you would be right about something...for a change. Why ruin your perfect record?
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She may be doing "her" best but in my book it's not good enough.
WE AS A STATE PUT HER THERE !!!! :tonka:

THAT IS THE F-ED UP THING ABOUT IT !!!



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and then we can move away from being an automotive dominated state.
You are a fucking moron. We're an automotive dominated COUNTRY. One out of every four jobs is automotive related. That only changes to about one in three in Michigan.
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I could replay to F&B that I have enough real world knowledge to know that you can't take sharp corners fast in a lifted XJ.

I could replay to Ckupq that I hope they raise taxes so MI schools can have enough money to pay the [COLOR="Red"worthless liberal teachers[/COLOR] to teach and then maybe MI could graduate folks *cough*like me*cough* and then we can move away from being an automotive dominated state.

But I don't becuase I try to keep things on the subject of the thread for instance Jenny is doing the best she can with the money she has but she does not have enough so she must find alternative ways to raise it and keep funding public works. Those ways come through taxes.

Pretty simple stuff here but go ahead and bitch. If it was Devos doing the same thing I bet the wouldn't have said a word.
That hits a little low Drew. The sad part is that the ones that are not like this never get any press, and do a great job. There are a lot of kids who do graduate, but just leave the state because there is nothing here for them. My sisters boyfriend just graduated with a printing degree from Ferris, and all of the applications that he sent out were for companies out of the state.
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