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Old March 6th, 2007, 06:43 PM   #1
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I am thinking about swaping a HP44 into the front of my dub. 5on5.5 lug outers... Did any of them come with disc brakes or are there any kits?
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Uh, its actually not so common to find them without discs anymore. 1/2 ton units will have the 5x5.5 pattern, but they will have cast ends. The F-250 units will have tubes with welded parts (leaf sprung), but will have 8-lug hardware. You can swap the entire knuckle-out 1/2 ton onto the 8-lug if you don't care about the F-250 factory flat-top knuckles or dual-piston calipers.
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The 1/2 ton axels are 65" WMS which are perfect for WJ's (63.5" stock) I heard that some 1/2 ton had the arm mounts welded vs cast into the housing.

But the flat top knuckles and big calipers would be nice. I was planning on keeping stock rear for now so I don't know would do to make the rear match...
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The 1/2 ton axels are 65" WMS which are perfect for WJ's (63.5" stock) I heard that some 1/2 ton had the arm mounts welded vs cast into the housing.

But the flat top knuckles and big calipers would be nice. I was planning on keeping stock rear for now so I don't know would do to make the rear match...
78-79 had the cast c-bushing mount. F150 prior to that were weld on. Also EB were weld on but only like 58"ish wms

And yes many of them came with disc brakes from the factory. I believe EB started in '73...and F150's started '73 or '74. Also 78-79 full size Bronco's had factory disc brakes. The D44 in the front of my ZJ is from a '79 F150/Bronco..factory disc brakes.
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But the flat top knuckles and big calipers would be nice. I was planning on keeping stock rear for now so I don't know would do to make the rear match...
If you go with the 8-lug F-250 front, using the matching D60 rear would be the easiest route. The sets are commonly found in 4.10.
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The 1/2 tons are 65" wms but if you use a 3/4 ton it is wider at about 68" wms. I would stick with half ton stuff and run the 9" rear also.
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The 1/2 tons are 65" wms but if you use a 3/4 ton it is wider at about 68" wms. I would stick with half ton stuff and run the 9" rear also.
Cjaholic is selling the F-250 outer setup you can throw on the 1/2-ton front if you consider going 8-lug front and rear, with like a 9" or something.
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That adds the problem of the speedo. on the WJ it uses the rear axel. No speedo input on my TC.

Maybe I'll just carry spare D30 shafts for now. I can't do front, rear and TC upgrade at the same time.
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Is it just a tone ring in the rear axle? Just find a newer 1/2 ton dodge rear that has a tone ring. You will probably need to get a true speeed to adjust for different readings but it might work. FYI the dodge SRT10 truck used a semifloat disc'd dana 60 rear, I see them time to time on Ebay. You would have to do some more research though.
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Is it just a tone ring in the rear axle? Just find a newer 1/2 ton dodge rear that has a tone ring. You will probably need to get a true speeed to adjust for different readings but it might work. FYI the dodge SRT10 truck used a semifloat disc'd dana 60 rear, I see them time to time on Ebay. You would have to do some more research though.
That axel would be 6 lug though? That still does not match the 8 lug front.
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FYI Even if you run the 1/2 ton housing the 3/4 ton outers add an 1" to each side, 67"wms. Look for a late model dodge 3/4 ton dana 60/70 rear if you want to run the 8 lug. I know they have the tone ring for the abs which might work.

Notice the tone ring It is even in MI
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That axel would be 6 lug though? That still does not match the 8 lug front.
The 1/2 ton Ram axle would be 5-lug.

The tone ring that he suggested may be the actual solution, but you're going to want to target an axle that has a similar sensor attachment.
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