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Old March 2nd, 2007, 09:55 PM   #1
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Extremely important!
We need people in Lansing Tuesday.

Here is why..... At 5:00 pm, i got a call from representative Sheltrown. They had just come out of a meeting with those in opposition to house bill 4323. We did decent, holding our own, but with strong opposition from cram, things being led by MDOT.

Two main issues, damage to road shoulders and enforcement. There is a long standing tussle between county commissions (mac) and road commissions, (cram) over the roads. Today, MAC refused to surrender more than the 30% control number in 4323 to cram, in addition, MAC refused to agree in changing the 50/50 split on the citation money in 44323. Where does that leave us, there will be more meetings at the above level between now and the 13th, the day of the committe vote. We are not a part of them.

Next Tuesday, the 6th of March is our day, probably the most important in this whole . It is testimony day. This in where the game of politics gets really good. The meeting last just 1 1/2 hours. We can expect all the opponents to be there. I will not get into all the details for fear of losing you.

There has been 3 chosen to speak for the ORV community, two minutes each. Be at the Anderson Building at 10:30, if you are standing on the front steps of the Capitol, it is across the street and a little to your left. Parking ramp next door.

The most valuable thing we can have that day are hand written letters. Not e-mails, not phone calls to your representative., but hand written letters supporting 4323. Its going to be tough, but they will be like gold. We need one more thing, bodies. The room seats about 100, there will be 70 empty seats, we need to fill every seat, we need to fill the hallway, we need to fill the foyer and pour out onto the sidewalk. If we can do this at 10:30 a.m. On a tuesday, we have sent a message that lansing fully understands. The people are making a strong statement! how bad do you want this bill? nothing comes easy, sacrifices and involvement are a must. Get on the phone and get busy, we can make 4323 become a reality. We must be there to support the legislators who support us. 50 co-sponsors to a bill don't happen every day, we have friends! sometime tomorrow, we will have a conference call with ama, aatva, and ccc and plan further action. We urge you to talk this up on the forums, get the word out, if we do not fill those 70 seats, our stock takes a dive. We will get back to you asap on how to deliver the letters. Sorry about the short notice, but this is politics and tuesday is a major step in what we have to do to win.
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RIDERS-this is some serious stuff! Please take the day off work [if possible] and grab as many folks as you can jam into your vehicle and make a showing here in Lansing this Tuesday.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 11:51 PM   #2
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If I was up there I'd be there.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 05:49 PM   #3
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Im by Lansing but I have no clue what youre talking about and I have to work anyways. Just for the hell of it I searched goog on michigan house bill 4323 and look what popped up.

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Well if he's talking about HB4323 of 2001 I agree with it. Increaseing the penilty for throwing body fluids on people. But I see no need to take the day of for it. And how does that partain to the roads???????
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Old March 4th, 2007, 04:48 AM   #5
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it doesn't!

you twits, every year the house assigns numbers to bills. the new bill for this year is about the orvs on county roads.

slater03 posted the other crap about googling the number of the bill. google is not perfect by any means

why on earth would you think I needed you in lansing for a bill about spitting on people? I thought this forum was about ORVs?
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Old March 4th, 2007, 09:03 AM   #6
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Man, I wish I was in the area during the day. I'd take a few hours off and come in. Unfortunately, I work in Sterling Heights.... I'll write a hand written letter if you have a way for me to get it to you in time.
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Old March 4th, 2007, 11:11 AM   #7
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I would Email Joel Sheltrown anyway. his staff goes through the emails, they should just print them as they come in.

I would tell him in the email to print it. that way you should be heard.

as for snail mail its gunna be close if your depending on our postal service. mine take 3 days to get anywhere
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I would Email Joel Sheltrown anyway. his staff goes through the emails, they should just print them as they come in.

I would tell him in the email to print it. that way you should be heard.

as for snail mail its gunna be close if your depending on our postal service. mine take 3 days to get anywhere

I'll send an email tonight telling him to print it. Can you post a link here to do some research so I know exactly what I'm going to write about. I'd like to do some research so I can put some real thought into it.
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Old March 4th, 2007, 06:18 PM   #9
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just look in the save our sport section, theres so many posts on the ORVs on road shoulders I would be an hour just posting them all.
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Check out this link to the AMA district 14 site. they have the whole thing down by numbers. http://www.ama-d14.org/4323.php
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Ok I copied this from the AMA's site

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1. DoneBill is drafted in “blueback” form and submitted.

2. Tuesday, February 27Bill is introduced to the House by Representative Sheltrown with more than an average number of co-sponsors. The Bill will then have an official number and become available on the www.House.Michigan website Shortly thereafter, Michigan Motorized Recreation Council will publish their analysis.

3. Tuesday, March 6thTestimony day. Various governmental agencies present their position before the the House Committee. Very short time frame. This is where your e-mails to members of the Tourism, Outdoor Recreation and Natural Resources Committee are extremely important. We need all eleven members to recieve plenty of response from Michigan ORV users. Can do so until the end of the business day on March 5th.

4. Tuesday, March 13thThe House Tourism, Outdoor Recreation and Natural resources Committee votes on the bill. Continue to send e-mails until end of business day, March 12th

5. TBDThe House votes on the bill and another round of e-mails (see the theme yet?). This time however the emails need to go to your individual Representative's in the House. We especially need to show support from the Metro areas here.

6. TBDThe Senate votes on the bill and yet another round of e-mails this time to your individual Senator.

7. TBDThe governor votes on the bill and the last round of emails will go to Governor Granholm herself.

Please remember the following points in any correspondence (either verbal, written, or email)
  • Keep it simple
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  • Say Thank You
  • Provide your name and address.
These guys want people to keep Emailing until the 12th of March I don't know why Dick Ranney wanted snail mail?


The CommitteeJoel Sheltrown (D)
103rd District, Committee Chair
e-mail: joelsheltrown@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-3817
Kate Ebli (D)
56th District, Vice-Chair
e-mail: KateEbli@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-2617
Terry L. Brown (D)
84th District
e-mail: terrybrown@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-0476
Ted Hammon (D)
50th District
e-mail: tedhammon@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-3906
Kathleen Law (D)
23rd District
e-mail: kathleenlaw@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-0855
Steven Lindberg (D)
109th District
e-mail: stevenlindberg@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-0498
Mike Simpson (D)
65th District
e-mail: mikesimpson@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-1775
Tom Casperson (R)
108th District, Minority Vice-Chair
e-mail: tomcasperson@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-0156
Howard Walker (R)
104th District
e-mail: howardwalker@house.mi.gov
phone :517-373-1776
John Stakoe (R)
44th District
e-mail: johnstakoe@house.mi.gov
phone: 517-373-2616
Kenneth Horn (R)
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phone: 517-373-0837
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it doesn't!

you twits, every year the house assigns numbers to bills. the new bill for this year is about the orvs on county roads.

slater03 posted the other crap about googling the number of the bill. google is not perfect by any means

why on earth would you think I needed you in lansing for a bill about spitting on people? I thought this forum was about ORVs?
If you noticed I wrote HR of 2001. I didnt think that was what you were talking about. The 2001 was the 1 in that google search.
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Well if he's talking about HB4323 of 2001 I agree with it. Increaseing the penilty for throwing body fluids on people. But I see no need to take the day of for it. And how does that partain to the roads???????
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Old March 5th, 2007, 10:06 AM   #14
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I may be there to oppose the bill....
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Old March 5th, 2007, 11:28 AM   #15
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I'm still against ORV's on the road shoulders myself. Sorry.
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