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Old February 27th, 2007, 05:45 PM   #41
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I am a Christian but I am also someone who looks at reality.

I have been through classes where the instuctor told the first student a sentence. Then that student told a second student and this went on until 20 students passed the sentence along. Each time the words were passed along nobody was allowed to hear the words till the last student came back in the room with the sentence. The Original sentance was " I have a Brown dog and he likes to watch tv with me on sunday. On thursday we take a walk"

After the Sentance passed throug 20 students individually the sentance came out like this. "My dog is large and walks once in a while"

So I wonder how it would be translated a couple of hundred years later.

Hopefully you can see where I am going with this. I believe in the bible but the stories are good learning lessons and that is a good thing. Fish swallows man and swims around then spits him out on the beach? 2 of every animal loaded on an ark? Etc. etc. etc.

Dont be offended anyone. This is just my opinion. Everybody has one.

Do I believe in this tomb thing? It has just as much clout as is what is written. But no I dont believe it. I believe in Jesus but not some of the details.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 05:51 PM   #42
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I like how everybody ignored what I said, even though it was the most educated response.

Read up on this story. Much of it is a hoax... or at least isn't authentic from that era
It was far to logical !

I agree. I did a lot of checking on this back in the early 1990's and found that there were many that had proved this to be false. Don't remember the specifics, but it was enough to allow me to move on.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 07:51 PM   #43
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i find it humorous how logic and resurrection are argued on the same plane...
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Old February 27th, 2007, 07:55 PM   #44
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i find it humorous how logic and resurrection are argued on the same plane...
I am glad you have a sense of humor. Do you also have an opposing argument?

Way to contribute
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Old February 27th, 2007, 08:03 PM   #45
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I have been through classes where the instuctor told the first student a sentence. Then that student told a second student and this went on until 20 students passed the sentence along.
2 thoughts for ya. One, in those times, people only had their memories, they did not have written texts and notebooks and laptops and recording devices. I think its fair to say that people learned and retained information differently back then, and I would argue that their memories were far better. And certain stories just can't be forgotten. Think of the Israelites who were there when the Red Sea was parted. You really think they would fudge that story? That had to be so powerful that they woudl never forget. Same with many other biblical stories, they were huge, and very impactful. Folks in that day memorized ancestries and all kinds of stuff. Two, the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls made a profound impact on biblical accuracy. The oldest texts we had before that were probably 800 years after the life of Christ. The scrolls that were found in clay jars near the Dead Sea were estimated to be about 500 years older. In that time span, NOTHING changed. You heard right, NOTHING. So we have text that were very close to the original events, and they were identical to texts many hundreds of years apart. So that whole pass a sentence around the room theory does not hold water in argumetn against the Bible. And someone is bound to bring up the drunk monk theory, but they don't realize that monks never translated or wrote biblical texts. there are a TON of misconceptions out there. Have fun on your search for truth!
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that was my subtle contribution, and can be used as a barometer of logical assumption, as it displayed my stance AND "opposing arguement", which, obviously, you did not either catch or comprehend.

defend your faith, sir. defend it.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 08:33 PM   #47
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i find it humorous how logic and resurrection are argued on the same plane...
that's what i'm getting at.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 09:36 PM   #48
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that was my subtle contribution, and can be used as a barometer of logical assumption, as it displayed my stance AND "opposing arguement", which, obviously, you did not either catch or comprehend.

defend your faith, sir. defend it.
you're right, that statement was SO deep that it was on a different plane of existance. will you be my savior?
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Old February 28th, 2007, 12:15 AM   #49
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you kidding? i'm married. i'm the one who needs a savior.
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I think that if I were DK, I would hope it turned out to be legit.
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I think that if I were DK, I would hope it turned out to be legit.
Which, the story of Jesus, or the new cash cow about his tomb?

I want to make one thing clear in all this: I don't believe in Jesus because my family told me, or because I am too weak minded to survive in this cruel world. Rather, I believe in Jesus first because I feel that he has found me out and hes' there, second because it makes sense and it stands up against scrutiny. I came to faith late in high school, and ever since have seen increasing reasons to believe, and am more thoroughly convinced every day. I do believe that God is on a mission to reach all people, and he wants all to know that he has done a good work for them, and wants them to meet up with him now, and for the life to come.
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I mean the tomb. Considering how many Agnostics alone out there that might be turned, imagine what it would mean to have the "evidence" to present to the world that so many people want/need in order to solidify their beliefs (nevermind the whole DaVinci Code/child thing).
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I mean the tomb. Considering how many Agnostics alone out there that might be turned, imagine what it would mean to have the "evidence" to present to the world that so many people want/need in order to solidify their beliefs (nevermind the whole DaVinci Code/child thing).
I hear what you are saying, but that "evidence" to me is LESS convincing than what is already out there. I find the existing evidence to be far more substancial, far more trustworthy.
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I think that if I were DK, I would hope it turned out to be legit.
now why is it in Dave's best interest to "turn" Agnostics?
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now why is it in Dave's best interest to "turn" Agnostics?
I said nothing about it being in anyone's best interest, but Christians (especially Catholics) want everyone to be saved.
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I said nothing about it being in anyone's best interest, but Christians (especially Catholics) want everyone to be saved.
i don't agree with that..the whole "saving thing is more of a evangelical/protestant thing. how many catholics do you see knocking on your door?
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since when does sova pick up on whats actually being said?
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i just want to take a time out here. I just want to let all parties involved know...i'm not trying to threaten your faith, actually if I have threatend your faith in any way shape or form, that's pretty sad faith...anyway, i just like to argue and discuss stuff, and this place seems to be a great place to do it since there are many conflicting viewpoints on here from my own. anyway...no hard feelings or anything, i just like to discuss stuff and argue...

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If anything, that tomb story would undermine all of Christianity, which is why it is a great money maker. If it had not controversy, it would have no popularity in media.

If Jesus did not raise from the dead and ascent into heaven, then what makes him divine? What separates Jesus from the rest of the claimers out there?
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i don't agree with that..the whole "saving thing is more of a evangelical/protestant thing. how many catholics do you see knocking on your door?
Are you Catholic?
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