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Old April 9th, 2007, 03:36 PM   #1
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Ok, so I was reading in the Easter Bunny thread, and I have a question for you all (the church-goers anyways). What day is the Sabbath?

To begin, what is the first day of the week?
The majority of people will say Sunday is the first day. Look at a calender. Sunday is on the left. Recite the days of the week. Most say Sunday first.

The Bible says, "8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Seems simple enough to me. Sunday = 1, Saturday = 7. However, most religions do not believe that Saturday is the Sabbath and the day for worship as I do. Please explain. If you give quotes from the Bible to back your opinion (or a particular denominations opinion) please use KJV or another reputable translation.

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I have no idea how Sunday was the norm as the sabbath, but it is. For my pastor, Sunday is a work day. His sabbath is the following day, Monday, that is the only day of the week that he has off, and spends with this family, relaxin.

The point of the sabbath is that we are to follow God's example of work and rest. We are to labor all week, but to have one day of each week to recoup, relax, and reflect.

Disclaimer: this is not an educated responce, just what I know. HTH
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Ok, so I was reading in the Easter Bunny thread, and I have a question for you all (the church-goers anyways). What day is the Sabbath?

To begin, what is the first day of the week?
The majority of people will say Sunday is the first day. Look at a calender. Sunday is on the left. Recite the days of the week. Most say Sunday first.

The Bible says, "8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Seems simple enough to me. Sunday = 1, Saturday = 7. However, most religions do not believe that Saturday is the Sabbath and the day for worship as I do. Please explain. If you give quotes from the Bible to back your opinion (or a particular denominations opinion) please use KJV or another reputable translation.

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I was always taught that the Sabbath is on Saturday,
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Old April 9th, 2007, 05:16 PM   #4
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The sabbath is the 7th day, it's right there in the quote.:tonka:
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Jews celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday- since it's the '7th' day according to the Old Testament

Jesus was a jew, celebrated on saturday as well. However, christians celebrate sunday as the sabbath due to the celebration of Easter.

Because Jesus died on "good friday" and ressurrected and ascended into Heaven on Sunday, christians celebrate this day as the Sabbath instead. From then, the 'sabbath' changed for jesus' followers, but remained the same for the Jews

Maybe it was just a way for the Church to distinguish themselves from Jews/ other peeps... But that's the way i was taught
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Jews celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday- since it's the '7th' day according to the Old Testament

Jesus was a jew, celebrated on saturday as well. However, christians celebrate sunday as the sabbath due to the celebration of Easter.

Because Jesus died on "good friday" and ressurrected and ascended into Heaven on Sunday, christians celebrate this day as the Sabbath instead. From then, the 'sabbath' changed for jesus' followers, but remained the same for the Jews


Maybe it was just a way for the Church to distinguish themselves from Jews/ other peeps... But that's the way i was taught

This is the answer I was looking for. As many Christian denominations believe that the Bible is the ultimate truth, don't you think something about a date change would be in there somewhere? As every book of the New Testament was written AFTER the time of Christs' resurrection, shouldn't there be some documentation of this?
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This is the answer I was looking for. As many Christian denominations believe that the Bible is the ultimate truth, don't you think something about a date change would be in there somewhere? As every book of the New Testament was written AFTER the time of Christs' resurrection, shouldn't there be some documentation of this?


well not really. I mean, Jesus didn't say, "hey guys, Celebrate on Sunday for me, k?" I think the Church decided to do this, probably a while after his death. I mean, they decided a lot of things that aren't in the Bible. Like, what day to celebrate Christmas, Easter, Holy days, etc.

There's probably books/ church documents/ history on it somewhere, but I don't recall where. Could probably check out a Library or even teh interwebs.
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Funny, I had a feeling this would come up when I made the Sabbath joke..
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Sunday (Day of the Sun), as the name of the first day of the week, is derived from Egyptian astrology. The seven planets, known to us as Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the Sun, Venus, Mercury, and the Moon, each had an hour of the day assigned to them, and the planet which was regent during the first hour of any day of the week gave its name to that day (see CALENDAR). During the first and second century the week of seven days was introduced into Rome from Egypt, and the Roman names of the planets were given to each successive day. The Teutonic nations seem to have adopted the week as a division of time from the Romans, but they changed the Roman names into those of corresponding Teutonic deities. Hence the dies Solis became Sunday (German, Sonntag). Sunday was the first day of the week according to the Jewish method of reckoning, but for Christians it began to take the place of the Jewish Sabbath in Apostolic times as the day set apart for the public and solemn worship of God. The practice of meeting together on the first day of the week for the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice is indicated in Acts, xx 7; I Cor., xvi, 2; in Apoc., i, 10, it is called the Lord's day. In the Didache (xiv) the injunction is given: "On the Lord's Day come together and break bread. And give thanks (offer the Eucharist), after confessing your sins that your sacrifice may be pure". St. Ignatius (Ep. ad Magnes. ix) speaks of Christians as "no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also Our Life rose again". In the Epistle of Barnabas (xv) we read: "Wherefore, also, we keep the eight day (i.e. the first of the week) with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead".
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Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

I don't see how that says anything relevant at all. It says they met, ate, and Paul spoke until late.

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

The reason the Christian were to collect the money on Sunday was because it was contrary to God's law to collect money on the Sabbath. I refer you back to the 10 commandments, "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work." Some argue against this that this is not work, and that this is similar to pulling your ox out of the ditch on Sabbath. However, I disagree. Money can be collected any day, and it makes sense that it was collected as soon as possible after the Sabbath, hence Sunday.

Apoc 1:10, Didache 14, St. Ignatius, Epistle of Barnabus are not in the Bible...
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Actually, since Jesus was a Jew, he observed the Sabbath on Saturday.
Then Him and his followers got together on Sunday to discuss things.

Christianity continued on with this Sunday tradition.
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Interesting. Thank you all for your input. I always wondered about this...
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And remember that Jesus "got in trouble" when stopping to grab a bite to eat on the sabbath, and he proved the pharisees wrong with the scriptures. Sometimes the spirit of the law supercedes the letter of the law.
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was taught the sabbath was on sat too.
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Sat. is what I've always been told.
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