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Old February 21st, 2007, 08:39 PM   #1
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How hard is it to learn to use acetalyne torch for cutting and welding?
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Old February 21st, 2007, 08:51 PM   #2
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Search around here: http://www.weldingweb.com/
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Old February 21st, 2007, 09:06 PM   #3
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You'd be surprised. It's not complicated, just requires lots of skill. LOTS of skill. Mig Welding is much easier.
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Cutting = easy

Welding with a torhc = takes some practice

I'd buy a wire-feed welder before a set of torches, myself.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 09:45 AM   #5
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Cutting = easy

Welding with a torhc = takes some practice

I'd buy a wire-feed welder before a set of torches, myself.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 08:40 PM   #6
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Thanks, I looked at it and it looks good.
The reason I ask about this is, I was given a set of torches which this person said she paid like 300 and some dollars for and wanted to know if I wanted them. Well, Yahhh.
I had a mig welder at one point but, could never get anything going with it. Had it like two years and never did learn to use it. It did'nt have gas though, I dont know if that makes a differance or not.
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Thanks, I looked at it and it looks good.
The reason I ask about this is, I was given a set of torches which this person said she paid like 300 and some dollars for and wanted to know if I wanted them. Well, Yahhh.
I had a mig welder at one point but, could never get anything going with it. Had it like two years and never did learn to use it. It did'nt have gas though, I dont know if that makes a differance or not.
Makes a big differce, and even more so if you were welding with flux core and didnt have the polarity set right.

Pretty much what we are sayin is, gas welding sux. torching rox.
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gas welding isint hard at all, you need to practice at it and its harder with filler but after a while it will get easyer.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 09:42 PM   #9
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gas welding isint hard at all, you need to practice at it and its harder with filler but after a while it will get easyer.
ITs a matter of money impact.

If you went out and bought a decent torch, tanks, and cart, you are out $300-$400 or so?

For the same cash you can get a wire feed welder running flux core(which is the best setup for most 4x4 related work, anyway) and a MAPP gas torch for heating duties.

Yeah, you aren't cutting with the torch, but you can cut with grinders practically as well.

You'll get much better weld quality, and use in general out of a wire feed welder. I know how to weld OK with a torch, but I haven't even bothered since I learned MIG 13 years ago.
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Cutting easy, welding not too hard but mostly replaced by MIG. If you need a hand I could stop by one day. There are safety issues with torches, not to scare you, but basic saftey rules must be followed.

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before I used a mig for the first time I did all my welding with a torch. if you get good you can weld the thinnest shit out there. I raised the floors and subframed a Maverick and hung quarters on it with a torch back in the day. by the way the best wire to use is old coat hangers. very tough stuff. I used about 200-300 on the Maverick. by the way for cutting its hard to beat a torch. if you learn good you can use it as easy as any plasma cutter.
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ITs a matter of money impact.

If you went out and bought a decent torch, tanks, and cart, you are out $300-$400 or so?

For the same cash you can get a wire feed welder running flux core(which is the best setup for most 4x4 related work, anyway) and a MAPP gas torch for heating duties.

Yeah, you aren't cutting with the torch, but you can cut with grinders practically as well.

You'll get much better weld quality, and use in general out of a wire feed welder. I know how to weld OK with a torch, but I haven't even bothered since I learned MIG 13 years ago.
i really like welding with torches and living out here, if i bust something out in a feild i can just drag the tanks out there. i have to disagree on the quality issue. i can make a really nice weld with a torch and have better penetration then witha mig.

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before I used a mig for the first time I did all my welding with a torch. if you get good you can weld the thinnest shit out there. I raised the floors and subframed a Maverick and hung quarters on it with a torch back in the day. by the way the best wire to use is old coat hangers. very tough stuff. I used about 200-300 on the Maverick. by the way for cutting its hard to beat a torch. if you learn good you can use it as easy as any plasma cutter.
yeah ive got a couple boxes full of boxes full of coat hangers for gas welding.
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I love cutting with an oxy-torch setup......smooth as butter....well, butter with lots of spark and burning metal.
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 11:35 AM   #14
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i really like welding with torches and living out here, if i bust something out in a feild i can just drag the tanks out there. i have to disagree on the quality issue. i can make a really nice weld with a torch and have better penetration then witha mig.
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For people who take the time to learn it, yeah, you can get good results.

But I'm going to assume most people won't learn to torch weld properly. And its a much faster learning curve on a MIG, IMO.

Yeah, portability is a concern, if you need that. Again, 99% of people here don't.
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not to hijack here, but is there any advantages to using propane over acetylene (sp)???

oh and I am referring to cutting, not welding

I just bought a used set for 200 w/ tanks, and it has propane....thanks!
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 03:15 PM   #16
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propane is a MAPP gas......it works essentially the same.

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propane is a MAPP gas......it works essentially the same.

Mmm, not quite. MAPP is methyl acetylene propadiene, burns a good 30-40% hotter than propane.

I've never used propane as a cutting fuel.
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we use mapp as torchs at work. its ok, but you have to keep your regulators set right. to many people don't know how to use it and mess with the regulators. also the tips are different then regular torch tips. they have double the holes to work right. I use both at work and the regular ones still work just lots slower at heating stuff up.
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I used to use them, when I did plumbing/sprinkler systems.
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ok here goes
if you are planning on a welding for a living than you should learn oxyfuel first.
it teaches you more about a weld puddle than any other form.
as far as a better weld profile with oxxy or better pen. this is false.
welding with oxxyfuel is welding with un fluxed metal unless you are brazing (brazing is not weldind) and unfluxed metal is weaker.
mig has not replaced oxxyfuel for ultra thin mat. tig has.

cutting with propain sucks, scrap yards use it cuz its cheaper than acc. but it dosnt cut very clean and takes alot longer (dosnt burn as hot as acc.)
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