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Old November 10th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #1
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Hey dudes. I thought I would share the progress on the scrambler I am building. Well, I started out with an 85 scrambler that ran really well and all of the gauges, etc worked.

Here it is Pre-tear down.



I started loosening all of the body mount bolts (and they were all completely rusted through). This took some doing, but once I had these out, we were able to start on the front clip. We removed the fenders, the grill, radiator (which was rotten so we bought a new one), undid all of the electrical that was still fastened to the body, unbolted the steering shaft, unbolted the clutch linkage, and basically anything that hooked into the front clip.
We ended up with this.


We then unhooked the gas lined from the rear filler, diconnected the brake brackets from the body, took out the shifters, disconnected the speedo cable, etc. had some friends come over and we lifted the body off. (note: if you do not leave the top or doors on, due to the length of the scrambler, the area in between the bulkhead and the dash is very weak and can fold in).

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The frame with my 5 yr old neighbor "helping out"



We then began to patch up the bottom of the body. The body mount plates were all rusted out, so we welded in new 1/8" plate on the frame and the body. There was also a small hole in the floor of the drivers side.




We then began to run new brake and fuel lines on the frame. We are switching from manual brakes to power brakes. I bought a power brake booster off of a YJ for this.

The frame is almost done, the body is done.

More pictures to come soon. I have a set of 1.5" rubicon express YJ springs that we are installing. I also have some Dana 44's with ARBs and 4.56 gears that are currently having spring perches welded on the top over at ARC spring. We will be installing all of this within the next week or so.
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Old November 10th, 2005, 03:09 PM   #2
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Ok, so it's lifted, with 33's and 44's blah blah blah! What's in the rest of the driveline?
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Old November 10th, 2005, 03:44 PM   #3
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Old November 10th, 2005, 04:25 PM   #4
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bigger pics fool. Do you ever use AIM? Haven't seen you on it weeks, unless i typed it in wrong
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Old November 10th, 2005, 04:52 PM   #5
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I always cringe when I hear about someone hacking into a Scrambler. But, it looks like you are doing it nicely in a non-hacking sort of way.


Fellow CJ-8 owner here....even though its really just a tub and roof on a frame n the garage being used as parts storage....

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Old November 10th, 2005, 08:05 PM   #6
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Shawn, its got the stock 4.2L for now with the dana 300 transfer case.

Bill, my AIM is jeephazard. I will make the next set of pictures bigger When is your's going to be done? Promise me you won't cry if mine is bigger


Pavement pounder, I wouldn't dream of hacking up the scrambler. The whole reason that I bought one was that they are unique. I hate it when people bob the rear end on these!!! Its almost a form over function issue with these to an extent (although mine will be very functional!!)
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I hate it when people bob the rear end on these!!! Its almost a form over function issue with these to an extent (although mine will be very functional!!)


http://photobucket.com/albums/v625/b...t=IMG_0073.jpg

I wouldn't go much bigger than mine, and i like the way my ass looks
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Old November 11th, 2005, 01:36 AM   #8
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Yeah, I knew yours was bobbed. I was waiting to see your reaction That definitely makes them more functional, and with that longer wheelbase of 103" they can be unstoppable. Did you see the last issue of Four Wheeler? The scrambler won their top truck challenge.

I just leave the tail on so I can carry more ho's in the back....giggity giggity giggity. :cool:

I like a little junk in the trunk
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Old November 11th, 2005, 05:06 AM   #9
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Nice write-up & sequence of pics, 87'YJ. You should post up the same thing over on cj-8.com...the guys there would definitely like to see this. Good to see you on that forum, BTW.



I'm a big Scrambler fan myself. Click here for pics of the Inca Gold Scrambler I built (but sold this Summer).

Much to your dismay, I may consider bobbing the tub/frame on my next Scrambler project (which already has some rear end damage). See this thread for pics. I'll be posting its own project thread shortly.

Side note...
If you haven't checked out the details on the SOA charity Scrambler (see link in my sig), take a look. We'll be raffling it off for charity when it's done. It has a new AFW frame, rust-free OEM Scrambler tub, and other sponsors including Rancho, M.O.R.E., Austin Jeeps, Five Star Auto, Herculiner, and the earlycj5.com guys.

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Craig, That scrambler looks like it will be fun to build! I had to deal with so much stinkin rust on mine. I will be nice to start basically rust free (Thats how I feel about that YJ I'm selling). I'm on CJ-8.com all the time, I'll go ahead and post this over there. And yes, I have checked out the scrambler for charity....its very cool! I hope that ends up raising some serious funds!

I almost cried when you said you were bobbing the frame Don't do it!!! I like driving down the street and having people point and say..."what is that thing?!!" The scramblers are so unique! but either way, we deffinitely need to go wheeling together when we're both done! That goes for you to Bill!

P.S.- You still have that junker scrambler tub/ frame for sale? Did you decide to build it? (I'm guessing no from the pictures I'm seeing)
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I almost cried when you said you were bobbing the frame Don't do it!!!


P.S.- You still have that junker scrambler tub/ frame for sale? Did you decide to build it? (I'm guessing no from the pictures I'm seeing)

I'm not certain about bobbing yet...we'll see.

A buddy of mine from Kentucky just drove up last night and picked up the junker frame/tub. It was basically a title with a set of axles & rollbar. He's going to build it into a future project once he completes the Scrambler he's currently working on.

And yes, we'll definitely have to meet up to wheel. : )

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Old December 5th, 2005, 02:14 AM   #12
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All right dudes. Here is an update to the scrambler build!
I got the axles newly rebuilt back from ARC Spring. he ground off part of the housing (which is on the scout axles) and welded spring perches on the top as well.


We then preped the frame for the new YJ springs. As many of you are aware, CJs are 2 1/2" springs in the rear, but only 2" in the front where as YJs are 2 1/2" all the way around. We needed all new bushings in the spring hangers and because the bolts in YJ shackles are larger, we removed the metal sleeve in the bushings to allow for room.



We then constructed outboard spring mounts for the front (due to the wider Dana 44 scout axles) using the existing hangers. We at the same time did a shackle reversal in the front. As you can see, we didn't get the angle quite right. I will go with a smaller shackle and a lower front mounting point.



Here is what it looks like with the axles mounted.




We put tires on to get the droop corect so we could find pinion angles. Here is what she'll look like when shes got wheels!!






the next step will be the steering (deciding between hy-steer or something else) I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone on which flat top knuckles will work for my scout axles. They have the Dana 30 knuckles (6 bolt knuckles, not the 8 bolt scout knuckles) and would like to get some good flat tops for it. brakes come after that then gas lines.

More to come soon!!
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I always cringe when I hear about someone hacking into a Scrambler. But, it looks like you are doing it nicely in a non-hacking sort of way.
I always laugh. Mostly because with a run of around 27,000 between 1981 to 1986 they aren't even close to rare.

YJ renegades had a run of less than 10,000 total in comparison. Many people think they are ugly, and on aspects I would agree. Just like I think everything behind the rear tires of a scrambler is not only ugly but right out there where the rocks can tear the crap out of it. What is better... a bobbed CJ8? Or a stock tub that is beat to crap :)

My point being? No one cries when people cut up Renegades, or sell the flares on eBay... which is good. Mostly because Jeeps aren't collectors items. They are utility vehicles. If every Scramber and Renegade disapeared from the earth tomorrow i would not shed a tear (as long as mine was still behind the shop as a regular YJ :tonka:)

Sometimes I want to start buying Scramblers and Waggies and cut the frames in half and send them off to scrap... just to make Jeep people "cringe"
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BTW dave you have came a long way from that lift install last year at the shop. Looks great
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Yeah...tell me about it....That's what a Jeep addiction can do to you.
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About the high steer, this is a D44, so any D44 knuckle with fit it, you just need the knuckles that are capable of putting high steer arms on them.

I have a scout II 44, did you fix your caster and/or d/s angle yet? I did it on mine, not realy easy, but worth it.
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he still doesn't have the pinion angle worked out yet, so caster is still a ways out.

defenetly a lot of progress. I'll be interested to see how fast the "little things" come together
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About the high steer, this is a D44, so any D44 knuckle with fit it, you just need the knuckles that are capable of putting high steer arms on them...
Some combinations will give you camber issues... I had to use 1.5deg spindle shims to get mine back to 0. I am using a Jeep D44 with Chevy knuckles.
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Some combinations will give you camber issues... I had to use 1.5deg spindle shims to get mine back to 0. I am using a Jeep D44 with Chevy knuckles.

Really, I have not heard of this. I am using a Scout II front, with Waggy Knuckles, and the Ford hub/rotor chevy bearing set up. I didn't know some knuckles/"C's" where different than others when it comes to D44/10 bolts.
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Really, I have not heard of this. I am using a Scout II front, with Waggy Knuckles, and the Ford hub/rotor chevy bearing set up. I didn't know some knuckles/"C's" where different than others when it comes to D44/10 bolts.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think it may have to do with the 10deg flat top face. I've heard of others having this problem with the same style of knuckles.

I believe you can get the flat tops with a 90deg (to the spindle) surface also...
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