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Old January 18th, 2006, 10:40 AM   #1
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I'm feeding a dream,
Just wondering if any of us are into the kayaking, river running scene. I ran the lower U in Pennsylvania a long time ago and would love to do it again..(kinda semi flirting with the idea of buying a boat and jumping right into the sport),

I would like to know what is your craft of choice (?) and

where do you go to get wet here in the great lakes region?

just wondering...

Maier

like i need another sport- hockey, skiing, mtn biking, camping/ hiking and my jeep..i can fit a river in there somewhere right?
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Old January 18th, 2006, 10:54 AM   #2
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i kayak, just on higgins lake or the ausuable river. its pretty fun. alot better than canoeing
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I have done quite a bit of whitewater canoeing, in the Yoop and Ontario. All class 1 to class 3 stuff, usually with a fully loaded boat and spray skirts, portaging around most 3 and all 3+ stuff. If you are out for a day, kayaks are fine, but if you want a challenge try doing the rapids in a canoe with all your camping gear. Want a bigger challenge, try running a river that takes a week to get down and do it without killing yourself! Of course you can't do large waterfalls in a canoe, but then you can't carry two people and 200 pounds of gear in a kayak either.
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I have done quite a bit of whitewater canoeing, in the Yoop and Ontario. All class 1 to class 3 stuff, usually with a fully loaded boat and spray skirts, portaging around most 3 and all 3+ stuff. If you are out for a day, kayaks are fine, but if you want a challenge try doing the rapids in a canoe with all your camping gear. Want a bigger challenge, try running a river that takes a week to get down and do it without killing yourself! Of course you can't do large waterfalls in a canoe, but then you can't carry two people and 200 pounds of gear in a kayak either.
yeah this is kinda the dilema my girl and I are in...we have a couple of close friends that that do 2 seperate canoe /camping trips (1 on the pine and 1 on the rifle) every year. we want to join them, and kinda figure that rental costs are a lil out of porportion (80 bucks for 1 overnight this past summer) if we are going to participate in these trips every year. as well i have to balance this with my desire to "run" rivers and rapids like we did down on the lower U way back in highschool. as well she (GF) has expressed interest in the whitewater kayaking stuff as well (guess i shoulda expected this when i started dating a collegiatte rower),
so what do we buy?.
Can i buy two semi long kayaks (as in 12 footers) and get by for the canoe trips..or do i need to invest in a canoe and get 2 play boats for the rapid rides.

suck...

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Old January 18th, 2006, 02:27 PM   #5
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I work at a place that sells kayaks. We carry old town, perception, dager and bic (yes the pen company is making kayaks) . All seem to be built extremely well, I prefer Old-Town myself. I was thinking about buying one this summer just to have and play with. Its a blast.

The longer the boat the bigger the water is the general rule of thumb. Your not going to want a 16' for rivers and your not going to want a 9.5' for huge lakes. I find that a majority of the customers like their kayak to be around 11-12.5 range for vercitility. If you are unsure about what boat you want, the store I work at takes theres to a lake every wensday in the summer so people can try them out. Im sure there is someplace around you that does the same, or at least they should if they sell them. If you have any future questions and cant find an answer let me know, I will as the kayak specialist at work and get you the answer.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 02:34 PM   #6
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admitedly it has been a while since my boat saw white water. I had it out on the area lakes, and huron river this past summer.

I have an ancient, Perception Eclipse boat hanging in the garage. It's a very high volume boat compared to today's stunt/squirt boats, but I still like it. For one reason, being as high volume as it is, I can still comfortabley paddle around without wearing the spray skirt, and not worry about taking on water, or getting swamped - to me, it seems that most of the modern squirt/stunt/play boats ride so low in the water, that one must always wear a spray skirt. :dunno:

I've done the Yak, New River Gorge, and the upper/lower gauley in my youth. (like close to 15 years ago) did those rivers in everything from kayaks, to duckies to 6 person rafts to even the bigger oar rafts.

all great fun. :) I miss it, and very much look forward to my kids being old enough to take.

Now if only I can get my wife convinced that "roughing it" is NOT a hotel without a pool...

oh, missed part of your post. there isn't much in .mi.us for getting wet. if you want to practice some eddy curls, and such, the huron river, just north of ann arbor has an area called the "delhi rapids" - it's a joke compared to real white water, and at last memory was only about 50 yards worth of what the locals call class 2 rapids, but it'd be more appropriate to call them class 1 imho. it's been well over a decade since I played in that area.

in march, when the ice breaks up, and the wind is howling, 1-2' waves on bigger inland lakes make for some fun, and a workout. I also know folks like to surf the wakes of the freighters in lake st clair, and the river, but would advise a larger, flat water boat for that type of paddling (a rudder will help ya get back to shore if things get nasty out there)

final edit. as mentioned above, many places will offer a "try before you buy" program, and I believe that OCC's Orchard Ridge Campus still has a series of courses you can take - they do quite a bit in a pool to get one comfortable with a roll, self rescue, etc.

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yeah this is kinda the dilema my girl and I are in...we have a couple of close friends that that do 2 seperate canoe /camping trips (1 on the pine and 1 on the rifle) every year. we want to join them, and kinda figure that rental costs are a lil out of porportion (80 bucks for 1 overnight this past summer) if we are going to participate in these trips every year. as well i have to balance this with my desire to "run" rivers and rapids like we did down on the lower U way back in highschool. as well she (GF) has expressed interest in the whitewater kayaking stuff as well (guess i shoulda expected this when i started dating a collegiatte rower),
so what do we buy?.
Can i buy two semi long kayaks (as in 12 footers) and get by for the canoe trips..or do i need to invest in a canoe and get 2 play boats for the rapid rides.

suck...

Maier
all depends on your river style. slow, leisurely with the center of the canoe packed with beer? then canoe would be the obvious choice.

that being said, my 12' perception eclipse is not really suited for the class 4/5 rapids that I use to run it in compared to today's technology. (that and my skills are rusty enough that I wouldn't feel comfortable/confident doing it regardless without working back up to it. the rifle/pine however would be fine in a medium sized kayak, so it's back to your river running preference/style)
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Old January 18th, 2006, 11:13 PM   #8
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thanx for the informative responses and opinions y'all.

(ryebread) as for "my" river running style, i have only been down a fast river once..and that was the lower youngeheni (spelling) in penn. back in highschool..before my full length tour with the army. so i really dont have one...however i have watched some online vids and kinda got a feel for what i do / and dont wanna do..running big rapids seems way cool but i would need to work up to it (like yer self) and seeing as there aint much in the area unless you go to minnesota and wisconsin.

So, i find that i think i am looking for a 12 foot(ish) boat that will perform well here locally on the flater stuff, like the pine, rifle and ausable rivers as well as be able to "play" a lil bit in some of the rougher rapids...hope this makes sense.

guess i need to get a really good job so i can afford these new toys, keep up with the old toys (jeep) and pay the bills...whooooda thunk it...

Thanks again
Maier

need i add that for the hell of it today i looked up the number of geocache sites here local to my house and found a number of them i could walk to out my back door here in rochester...just what i need another time consuming endeavor..to try and fit into the rest of my wide open schedule...heheheheh

Do i really need to work??????
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thanx for the informative responses and opinions y'all.

(ryebread) as for "my" river running style, i have only been down a fast river once..and that was the lower youngeheni (spelling) in penn. back in highschool..before my full length tour with the army. so i really dont have one...however i have watched some online vids and kinda got a feel for what i do / and dont wanna do..running big rapids seems way cool but i would need to work up to it (like yer self) and seeing as there aint much in the area unless you go to minnesota and wisconsin.

So, i find that i think i am looking for a 12 foot(ish) boat that will perform well here locally on the flater stuff, like the pine, rifle and ausable rivers as well as be able to "play" a lil bit in some of the rougher rapids...hope this makes sense.

guess i need to get a really good job so i can afford these new toys, keep up with the old toys (jeep) and pay the bills...whooooda thunk it...

Thanks again
Maier

need i add that for the hell of it today i looked up the number of geocache sites here local to my house and found a number of them i could walk to out my back door here in rochester...just what i need another time consuming endeavor..to try and fit into the rest of my wide open schedule...heheheheh

Do i really need to work??????
http://detroit.craigslist.org/spo/ sporting goods section of craigs list.

periodically kayaks come up for sale there. Shouldn't have too much trouble getting two moderate boats, and paddles for <$1,000

I've had my eclipse for roughly 18 years. I paid $475 for it, a wooden azali paddle, PFD, float bags (keep the boat floating if you bail, and it swamps) crash helmet, and spray skirt.

I since have upgraded the spray skirt, and bought a perception harmony paddle (lighter), a "fit kit" (high density foam that you epoxy into the inside of the cockpit and sand/shape to give it a tighter fit to make snap rolls easier) and some other gear, including a kayak stacker for my yakima roof rack, that I don't have a car for anymore (SWB and Miata - neither of which can really take a yakima roof rack)

oh, and one float bag is more than enough to keep the boat off of the bottom of the lake/river, I've got 4, but the point being that one can fit a decent sized dry bag in the bulkhead behind the cockpit, and if the boat is high enough volume, you can get a cargo net arrangement that will allow you to put a dry bag on the exterior of the hull behind ya too.

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hey thanks for the heads up...i will watch there. it will probably be a lil while before i try to buy.. i have to get out of this finacial slump first...like i said feeding a dream...thanks again..

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hey thanks for the heads up...i will watch there. it will probably be a lil while before i try to buy.. i have to get out of this finacial slump first...like i said feeding a dream...thanks again..

Maier
I feel your financial pain. increasingly, it is becoming harder to keep my wife as a stay at home mom.
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