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Old February 13th, 2007, 04:34 PM   #1
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A Bit of History

THIS IS HISTORY THAT HAS BEEN LEFT OUT OF OUR TEXTBOOKS. MOST OF YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT NEARLY EVERY FAMILY IN AMERICA WAS GROSSLY AFFECTED BY WORLD WAR II. MOST OF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE RATIONING OF MEAT, SHOES, GASOLINE AND SUGAR. NO TIRES FOR OUR AUTOMOBILES, AND A SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES AN HOUR ON THE ROAD. NOT TO MENTION, NO NEW AUTOMOBILES. READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD REACT TO BEING TAKEN OVER BY FOREIGNERS IN 2007.

This is an EXCELLENT essay, well thought out and presented, historical significance.

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England and America for food and war materials. At that time the U S was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and most Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war. Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not yet attacked us.

It was a dicey thing. We had few allies. France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France quickly aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly not an ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owning and controlling all of Asia. Together, Japan and Germany had long-range plans of invading Canada and Mexico, as launching pads to get into the United States over our northern and southern borders, after they finished gaining control of Asia and Europe. America's only allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia and Russia. That was about it. All of Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the East, was already under the Nazi heel.

America was certainly not prepared for war. America had drastically downgraded most of its military forces after World War I and throughout the depression, so that at the outbreak of WW II, army units were training with broomsticks because they didn't have guns, and cars with "tank" painted on the doors because they didn't have real tanks. And a huge chunk of our navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor.

Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600 million in gold bullion in the Bank of England, that was actually the property of Belgium, given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact). Actually, Belgium surrendered in one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day just to prove they could.

Britain had already been holding out for two years in the face of staggering losses and the near decimation of its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later, and first turning his attention to Russia, at a time when England was on the verge of collapse, in the late summer of 1940. Ironically, Russia saved America's butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years, until the U S got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany. Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow alone ... 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers. Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire war effort against the Brits, then America. And the Nazis could possibly have won the war.

All of this is to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. And now, we find ourselves at another one of those key moments in history. There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world. The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs -- they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world. And that all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra.

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East -- for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation, but it is not known yet which will win -- the Inquisitors, or the Reformationists. If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian economies. The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC -- not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. You want gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, and live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge. We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. And we can't do it everywhere at once.

We have created a focal point for the battle at a time and place of our choosing ... in Iraq. Not in New York, not in London, or Paris or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we are doing two important things.

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a terrorist. Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million Iranians.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.

World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen years before America joined it. It officially ended in 1945 -- a 17 year war -- and was followed by another decade of U S occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own again ... a 27 year war.

World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars. World War II cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action. The Iraq war has, so far, cost the U S about $160 billion, which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost about 2,200 American lives, which is roughly 2/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11. But the cost of not fighting and winning World War II would have been unimaginably greater -- a world dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.

This is not 60 minute TV shows, and 2 hour movies in which everything comes out okay. The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. Always has been, and probably always will be. The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore it. If the U S can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an "England" in the Middle East, a platform, from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East.

The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates. The Iraq war is merely another battle in this ancient and never ending war. And now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons. Unless somebody prevents them.

We have four options:

1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).

3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.

4. Or, we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe. It will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier.

If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today. The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win. Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti- pacifists kill them.

Remember, perspective is every thing, and America's schools teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young American mind. The Cold war lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany. World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation, and the U S still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million people, depending on which estimates you accept. The U S has taken more than 2,000 killed in action in Iraq.

The U S took more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism. In W.W.II the U S averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years. Most of the individual battles of World War II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far. But the stakes are at least as high... A world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms ... or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).

It's difficult to understand why the American left does not grasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis. "Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate here in America, where it's safe. Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea, in the places that really need peace activism the most? The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc.

Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.

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Raymond S. Kraft is a writer living in Northern California.

Please consider passing along copies of this article to students in high school, college and university as it contains information about the American past that is very meaningful today -- history about America that very likely is completely unknown by them (and their instructors, too). By being denied the facts of our history, they are at a decided disadvantage when it comes to reasoning and thinking through the issues of today. They are prime targets for misinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in causes and beliefs that are special interest agenda driven.
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Old February 13th, 2007, 05:59 PM   #2
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Extremely good article. It's a shame that it'll fall on ignorant, deaf ears.
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Old February 13th, 2007, 06:03 PM   #3
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Old February 13th, 2007, 07:28 PM   #4
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so very true. Look at what happened after WWI....germany left in ruins and in a venerable position to allow someone like Hilter to take over. If we pull out of Iraq right now the same thing is going to occur - and we'll (the U.S.) will be the bad guys for leaving the country in more turmoil than it was in when we started.
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i still think that we were a key reason for Germany turning imperialistic and starting wwII. when we pulled out of the league of nations that other european nations started to "rebuild" germany, sense went out the door. the countries (france in particular) decided that instead of helping germany rebuild, and become a valuable ally, that they had the right to exact reparations from germany, pushing the german people further and further away from rebuilding, instead building a climate of bitterness and hate from the germans. woodrow wilson wanted to stay in the league of nations, he was against exacting the reparations, but congress said no to the u.s. being a member in the coalition, inadvertantly helping to play a role in the cause for wwII.

it seems to me this is the same kind of situation that we are in today, albeit with different circumstances. we go to iraq, topple a major threat to both the american people and world, not to mention the iraqi people, and rather than stay the course, and clearly define and carry out goals, we're trying to get out before the job is done. in creating a bitter people in germany, the league of nations allowed a fanatic with thoughts and promises of better days, more land, and more money to entice the people to go to war and harness their hatred and despair towards a cause. i think that if we pull out of iraq now, and leave a broken country with a poor and bitter population, that this will allow a new extremist into power, with dreams to control the middle east, push islamic law, and someday destroy america. in short, be the next hitler, only this time with a religious motivation.
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Old February 13th, 2007, 11:20 PM   #6
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interesting article. Look up that guys name and you'll find more writings by him. Most are pretty good reads.

I'm not sure if I agree with it all though. I'll have to think some more and maybe later I'll post my thoughts.
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Since the Bible say's nothing about Jihadist in the end then I think his 4 options are not realistic.

I can't wait till May 08 when we will see our young men and women of the Armed Forces come back home to the United States of America!!
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Since the Bible say's nothing about Jihadist in the end then I think his 4 options are not realistic.

I can't wait till May 08 when we will see our young men and women of the Armed Forces come back home to the United States of America!!
Since his essay says nothing about the bible I don't know WTF you're talking about. Plus the Bible was written at least 300 years before the founding of Islam.
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Since the Bible say's nothing about Jihadist in the end then I think his 4 options are not realistic.

I can't wait till May 08 when we will see our young men and women of the Armed Forces come back home to the United States of America!!
You do realize that all of our men and women in the Armed Forces won't be coming home right? Should we just shut down every base we have in every other country on the globe and bring everyone home? Not all of our men/women in the military are just in the Middle East.
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Since the Bible say's nothing about Jihadist in the end then I think his 4 options are not realistic.

I can't wait till May 08 when we will see our young men and women of the Armed Forces come back home to the United States of America!!

I expected more.

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Extremely good article. It's a shame that it'll fall on ignorant, deaf ears.
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You have to believe that those are the only options to take the article seriously. I don't but if I did then his 4 options sounded pretty legit. I don't believe that by the US pulling out that the whole middle east is going to implode on it self with out us holding it up or guiding it the way we want and who we want in power.

Everyone forgets that Isreal is crazy and they will do just fine policing the area.
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Everyone forgets that Isreal is crazy and they will do just fine policing the area.
Yes they've been doing an excellent job.
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Everyone forgets that Isreal is crazy and they will do just fine policing the area.
I would reply that Isreal didn't do a very good job of stopping the 9-11-01 attacks but you'll just make some retarded reply about how you think it was Bush that did it so it's pointless to even attempt to have an intelegent discussion about this subject with you.
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I would reply that Isreal didn't do a very good job of stopping the 9-11-01 attacks but you'll just make some retarded reply about how you think it was Bush that did it so it's pointless to even attempt to have an intelegent discussion about this subject with you.
Wow your actually right, well part of your statement is atleast correct.
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Wow your actually right, well part of your statement is atleast correct.
And your never right, just like your first reply to this thread


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This battle will be fought................its just a matter of over there or over here.
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This battle will be fought................its just a matter of over there or over here.
It's crazy how powerful they have gotten in the past 20 years . . . I mean considering that they have never attacked us in the 2000 or so years of "modern" recorded history. Hmm.....
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It's crazy how powerful they have gotten in the past 20 years . . . I mean considering that they have never attacked us in the 2000 or so years of "modern" recorded history. Hmm.....
I know I'm probably going to regret asking this but.... who do you suppose was responsible for the WTC attack of February 26, 1993?
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