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Old February 4th, 2007, 08:43 PM   #1
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I was reading this in the USA today the other day....read this!

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Virginia moved forward on Wednesday to apologize for slavery, something no president or legislature has done.
The Virginia House Rules Committee unanimously approved a measure that expresses "profound regret" for the state's role in the slave trade and other injustices against African-Americans and Native Americans.

The original proposal by Del. Donald McEachin, a Democrat, called for "atonement."

"This is a good first step," says McEachin, whose great-grandfather Archie was a slave.

He says the wording was changed because some lawmakers said an apology could lead to reparations, or cash payments, to slave descendants.

He says the bill, though softened, is important as Virginia celebrates the 400th anniversary of the founding of Jamestown, America's first permanent English settlement and an entry point for African slaves.

A proposal in the state Senate expressing "profound contrition" won unanimous approval from a subcommittee Monday.

House Speaker William Howell expects both chambers to pass the measure, says his spokesman, G. Paul Nardo. The legislature is scheduled to adjourn Feb. 24.

Congress has apologized to Japanese-Americans held in camps during World War II. President Clinton, in Uganda in 1998, said U.S. participation in the slave trade was "wrong."

An apology alone does not heal wounds, says Bruce Gordon, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. He says it's important to recognize past wrongs, but it's more essential to fix lingering racial inequities.

The Virginia effort to apologize for slavery stirred controversy last month. Del. Frank Hargrove Sr., a white Republican, told The Daily Progress in Charlottesville that blacks "should get over" slavery instead of seeking a formal apology from the state.

He asked, "Are we going to force the Jews to apologize for killing Christ?"

Hargrove voted for the revised measure because, he said, it expresses regret "without apologizing for anything."

The Virginia Legislature expressed "profound regret" in 2001 for its role in eugenics, a discredited science that led to the sterilization of more than 7,000 Virginians in the name of purifying the white race between 1924 and 1979.
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Del. Frank Hargrove Sr., a white Republican, told The Daily Progress in Charlottesville that blacks "should get over" slavery instead of seeking a formal apology from the state.

He asked, "Are we going to force the Jews to apologize for killing Christ?"


story taken from http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-slavery_x.htm

I just thought I'd share this with everyone...I think it is some bullshit.
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Old February 4th, 2007, 08:46 PM   #2
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Old February 4th, 2007, 08:59 PM   #3
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That shit has been big news down here for the last few weeks. All hell broke loose when Del. Hargrove made that statement. I thought he was right. Why should I pay for something that happened 300 years ago. Get a damn job, that'll be your damn payment!!
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That shit has been big news down here for the last few weeks. All hell broke loose when Del. Hargrove made that statement. I thought he was right. Why should I pay for something that happened 300 years ago. Get a damn job, that'll be your damn payment!!
where did it say anything about anybody getting paid?
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it said they changed the wording of it, to keep it from leading to reparations.
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no one's getting paid.
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That kid that pushed me in the mud puddle in Kindegarten needs to get off his ass and apoligize to me. And pay me for the pain and suffering that I have endured.
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do you guys ever think of it as bigger than slavery? I mean first it was slavery, then lynchings (which in the American south for a period of time occured every 4 days), jim crow segregation, etc. There was a lot of things resulting from slavery, and it's a lot to "get over".
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do you guys ever think of it as bigger than slavery? I mean first it was slavery, then lynchings (which in the American south for a period of time occured every 4 days), jim crow segregation, etc. There was a lot of things resulting from slavery, and it's a lot to "get over".
sure, it may be bigger than slavery - I dont even think that's the point. The point is that there are many many many large scale things that have occured to many races, not just the african, that have gone down in history as terrible. Do you see jew's wanting an apology from germany? How about the japanese from this country who were put into imprisonment camps during WWII?

And just because you seem so defensive for the African Americans, don't you think that some of the things they do are racist as well? How about double standards??? When any racist issue is ever brought up it's always a White Caucasian being negative towards another race - but you know for a fact that many people of different races are racist towards the whites as well.......
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sure, it may be bigger than slavery - I dont even think that's the point. The point is that there are many many many large scale things that have occured to many races, not just the african, that have gone down in history as terrible. Do you see jew's wanting an apology from germany? How about the japanese from this country who were put into imprisonment camps during WWII?

And just because you seem so defensive for the African Americans, don't you think that some of the things they do are racist as well? How about double standards??? When any racist issue is ever brought up it's always a White Caucasian being negative towards another race - but you know for a fact that many people of different races are racist towards the whites as well.......
yes the holocaust was terrible, but I don't think that the nazi theory of jews being sub-human hit home in the U.S. and I don't think there is a ton of racism towards jews because of it.
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yes the holocaust was terrible, but I don't think that the nazi theory of jews being sub-human hit home in the U.S. and I don't think there is a ton of racism towards jews because of it.

No, but honestly, I think that most of the racism against blacks is going away as fast as the previous generations are dying.....hate to say it, but most the people racist against blacks are the ones who grew up with segregation.

Still though, there are plent of people out there who hate white male caucasian americans, but you dont see people crying about that.....

What bothers me most about this whole thing is the fact that you do see alot of reverse racism that takes place everyday, yet goes un-noticed. IMO, it's a crappy double standard. Look at the recent incedent involving Kramer - sure, he shouldn't have said what he said, but at the same time the people in the audience were calling him 'kracker" the whole time - nothing was said about that though......
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My grandfather was an uneducated sharecropper in rural SW TN in the 1930s into the 1940s. They raised sustenance crops and cotton. They lived in a tarpaper, tin-roofed "breezeway house".

Then the Klan started a recruiting drive, where you (a) joined up or (b) got beat down and your (i.e. the landlord's) barn burned. Prevailing theory (later proven) was that the landlord was a honcho in the local Klan.

At this point, he decided that the GM recruiting drive sounded more attractive and got on the GM bus to jobs in Detroit. Like many hillbillies riding the company busses in those days, he got off at a stop in Toledo where a recruiting agent for an auto supplier (Unicast) snagged him and signed him up. Then he packed up the family and moved to OH.

The interesting part is that this story (true) contains many elements I've been assured are uniquely black experiences: sharecropping, KKK intimidation, northern migration. I am most assuredly not black, having been at times in my life described as the whitest man alive (pale irish guy, can't dance...).

A long-winded set up for this point.

I'm the product of the only group you can still freely and openly impune and slander in the U.S. - hillbillies (hill people, holler people, ridge runners, rednecks, etc...). A disadvantaged group who were criticized for their speech/accents, vocabulary, dress, religion, and culture. They lived in lower-rent neighborhoods. And many of us overcame all of this without quota systems, financial aid, or other "help" programs. And in the process, we developed pride and self-esteem (trust me, I have enough self-esteem for five people ).

Hand-out programs, quota systems, and set-asides look like they're benefits, but they really hurt people in the long run. Wanna be a do-gooder and attone for your white guilt? Then leave people alone and let them succeed on their own.
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Another thought:

Why is it that the German people stood by and let the Jews (and other selected groups) be treated the way they were?

I have my theory which I'll share later. Let's hear yours.
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There was a lot of things resulting from slavery, and it's a lot to "get over".
are you black?

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I am most assuredly not black,
I know. I can see your avatar :tonka:

good points though, Duffman. I just posted this to see what others would say about it.

disclaimer: I, however, didn't plan on giving a shit about any responses posted by chiefdouchehaw or mikesova
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no i'm not black, but a question for you...were you pissed off when the United States apologized to the Japanese for placing them in internment camps durning WW2?
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Being a business owner and having multi-raced employees, you really have to watch what is said, no matter what you are talking about.

I had an employee that had darker skin color than I, attempt to sue me for slander, defamation of character and anything else she could think of. All because she was going around bothering other emplyees with her "deprived African-American soap box speach". She did the same job as others, got the same pay as others, but somehow I was "beat'n her people down".
When I asked her where she was born, Saginaw was her reply. And your parents? Saginaw as well. Grand Parents? Detroit. Do you know of any relative that actually came from Africa? No was her answer.

So I asked with her at what point do you become an AMERICAN, rather than an African-American? My ancestors came from Ireland in the late 1600's. I have Souix Indian in my blood-line. Guess what ..... I AM AN AMERICAN! It doesn't matter on the color of my skin or my hair ..... So you my dear employee, are an AMERICAN. Now shut up and get back to work.

By the way, I wone the lawsuit!
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