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Old January 31st, 2007, 08:15 AM   #1
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I have been looking for info on front d44 widths'. wms to wms

so far I have found measurments ranging from 55" to 67".

Does anybody know where I can find info as to what vehicals came with d44's and their respective wms to wms measurements?

I'm looking for a front d44 that is 60" to 62" wide. I was told to look at grand waggie's; but again I am finding measurements all over the place. :miff:
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Old January 31st, 2007, 09:12 AM   #2
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Grand wagoneer is driver drop in 80-91? and passanger drop 74-79

Scout axle is passanger drop

Both are roughly 60" wms to wms
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Old January 31st, 2007, 09:33 AM   #3
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Front Waggy/Grand Waggy is 60.5" wide (I'm installing one under my CJ-10a, and it's from a '90 model). What bolt pattern are you looking for? These are 6 x 5.5". A wide-track Cherokee (FSJ) D-44 front will be ~62.5" (IIRC), and a J-truck axle is a little wider yet.

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I also forgot an Early Bronco dana 44 driver drop 59.5" 66-77 The only thing is the diff is farther inward than the waggy axle.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 09:48 AM   #5
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http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=261441

theres some reading here - its duplicated in other sites, just for what its worth -
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Old January 31st, 2007, 10:42 AM   #6
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I have been looking for info on front d44 widths'. wms to wms

so far I have found measurments ranging from 55" to 67".

Does anybody know where I can find info as to what vehicals came with d44's and their respective wms to wms measurements?

I'm looking for a front d44 that is 60" to 62" wide. I was told to look at grand waggie's; but again I am finding measurements all over the place. :miff:

What kind of vehicle do you want to put this in?
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Old January 31st, 2007, 10:46 AM   #7
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I also forgot an Early Bronco dana 44 driver drop 59.5" 66-77 The only thing is the diff is farther inward than the waggy axle.
Also, most of the EB D44s, had the D30 sized u-joints
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Sorry. More info,
I'm trying to help Orionn with a project yj. here is what were looking for;

I am looking for a front axle that is 60" wide, WMS to WMS, with a passenger side drop and lockouts.

The old Scout D44 axle is only 58" and the pig is HUGE, the Jeep YJ\TJ\XJ D30 is 60" wide but does not have lockouts and is Drivers drop.

Does anyone have any idea if what I want is available? Or am I looking at a custom front axle?
I was hoping to match the 8.8 that I already have with a production axle to keep repair costs down.
Any help would be appreciated

Thx guys
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pig is pretty much the same size on all 44s. If you don't like the scout then the 70's era waggy 44 is about it unless you go custom
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Just run a HP D30- I don't know why everyone thinks they need lockouts.

All D44 have basically the same size center section.

A pre-'80s Waggy D44 will have the correct drop and width, but the lug pattern won't match an Exploder 8.8, and the center section will still be the same size as the Scout D44.

Actually, if you are worried that much about clearance, you should pitch the 8.8 as well...
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Old January 31st, 2007, 12:21 PM   #11
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OK, well here is what's happening.

I have an 8.8 with disk brakes, that's why I was looking to use it. It would be one less axle to buy.
I would actually prefer the 6 on 5.5" pattern of the waggy axle, I already have rims for that, but the bolt pattern is the least of my worries at this point.
Why do I want lockouts? its just something I want.
The Scout D44 pig on the front axle has the Rh spring perch cast into it, that makes the pig bigger and harder to use on a narrower frame. (looks like the narrow trac CJ D30) That's one of three reasons I don't want one of those.

So all that said. It sounds like I need a pair of Pre-'80 waggy D44 axles. Here are some questions:
Does a Waggy D44 rear match the front width? (60.5"?)
What is the spline count if anyone knows?
What size U-joints? Or can they be upgraded at some point for larger shafts and joints?
What is the caster angle of the front?
Can you make them High-Steer?

Thx for your help so far.

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Old January 31st, 2007, 12:25 PM   #12
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OK....I have read that the axles are 30 spline shafts. so thats one question answered.
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So all that said. It sounds like I need a pair of Pre-'80 waggy D44 axles. Here are some questions:
Does a Waggy D44 rear match the front width? (60.5"?)
What is the spline count if anyone knows?
What size U-joints? Or can they be upgraded at some point for larger shafts and joints?
What is the caster angle of the front?
Can you make them High-Steer?

You want a 74-78ish Wagoneer (not Cherokee - no flares!) NT front axle and a 1980-up Grand Wagoneer centered rear D44. The problem is that all the vast majority of FSJ's 79-down were automatic. Of those, the vast majority were QT and have an offset rear D44. Some were made wth a TH400/D20 drivetrain, but very difficult to find. Target the 74-78 fronts for flat-tops for hi-steer (usually 74-76, but I have seen them later and just sold a 77 to 88yj with them). They will have drive flanges and you'll have to install lockouts.

If you are thinking of larger shafts/joints before you even get your first set of axles, I would consider just starting with bigger axles (like a D44/D60 combo), but that will put you in 8-lug territory. I have that combo with flat-tops if you go that route.

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Cooter had/has a nice 44 rear that matchs the front with discs on it

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The Waggy rear is a little narrower thatn the front (about an inch or two, IIRC.)

You will have the same issues with a Waggy front as you will with a Scout- you will most likely end up outboarding the springs.

Mid 70s Waggy fronts have the 297x u-joints, so there is no need to upgrade. If you get the right one, you can go high steer with the existing knuckles.

Te caster angle on the Waggy is acceptable to use in a CJ, in most instances.

If you are buying from the same vehicle, most likely the rear D44 will be offset, and not useable for your setup.


If you want rear discs, Waggy width, and 6 on 5 1/2" bolt pattern, you should buy my Isuzu D44 rear- as a bonus, it is already geared at 4.30.
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Cooter had/has a nice 44 rear that matchs the front with discs on it

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=27572
Thanks for the plug- I took too long to write my answer, LOL
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Right now all this will end up being is a DD for a few years.
I just want the Option of upgrading the shafts and such later when it beocmes a trail rig after my current one dies.

I am doing my research now, while I save the money for the axles (tax return).

So I need a '74-'76ish Wagoneer Narrow trac Front axle (that should give me flat tops, but I'll need to add lockouts) and an Izuzu D44 rear, (that matches the width of the front and has Disks).

Kool!

Cooter, if you still have the rear when I finally save up the money, we'll talk.

If someone runs across a front please let me know.

thanks everyone

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