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Old January 23rd, 2007, 11:03 PM   #1
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Does anyone think Bush will impliment a draft?

If it is done how do they determine who goes?
Do they go by age first?

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Old January 23rd, 2007, 11:06 PM   #2
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i hope he dont.. who ever gets drafted that dont want to be there arent going to be worth a a shit and probily cause problems
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 11:07 PM   #3
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Does anyone think Bush will impliment a draft?

NO, if so...
I know I will be called a traitor and a douchebag and a pile of other insults, but I will NOT support that shit. YES, I WILL go to Canada. I refuse to support something by force that I do not believe in anyways.

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Old January 23rd, 2007, 11:13 PM   #4
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i agree wit with that dumbass^^
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 11:14 PM   #5
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doubt he will,

but i don't know what i would do, i like to travel, kind of bored in life, i can't say i agree with the war in Iraq, but maybe see if i can enlist in the airforce in stead of army.

But i think now that i am 23.5 years old, buy the time they would get the draft going i think i might be out of the age group anyway.
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I agree too, if we were threatened here, or had a better cause I would be right there in line, but for this I don't feel right in going.
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 11:37 PM   #7
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I'de go.

he won't do it. political suicide
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Old January 24th, 2007, 01:08 AM   #8
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A draft requires congressional approval. Bush would never get it. Anyone who voted for a draft would be commiting political suicide as someone else has already stated.

I found this for your info.

What is the Draft?
For more than 50 years, Selective Service and the registration requirement for America's young men have served as a backup system to provide manpower to the U.S. Armed Forces.

President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 which created the country's first peacetime draft and formally established the Selective Service System as an independent Federal agency. Even before this, our country has a long history of drafting citizens to serve in the armed forces.

From 1948 until 1973, during both peacetime and periods of conflict, men were drafted to fill vacancies in the armed forces which could not be filled through voluntary means.

In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an All-Volunteer military.

The registration requirement was suspended in April 1975. It was resumed again in 1980 by President Carter in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Registration continues today as a hedge against underestimating the number of servicemen needed in a future crisis.

The obligation of a man to register is imposed by the Military Selective Service Act. The Act establishes and governs the operations of the Selective Service System.

If a draft were held today, it would be tically different from the one held during the Vietnam War. A series of reforms during the latter part of the Vietnam conflict changed the way the draft operated to make it more fair and equitable. If a draft were held today, there would be fewer reasons to excuse a man from service.

Before Congress made improvements to the draft in 1971, a man could qualify for a student deferment if he could show he was a full-time student making satisfactory progress toward a degree.

Under the current draft law, a college student can have his induction postponed only until the end of the current semester. A senior can be postponed until the end of the academic year.

The changes in the new draft law made in 1971 included the provision that membership on the boards was required to be as representative as possible of the racial and national origin of registrants in the area served by the board.

Before the lottery was implemented in the latter part of the Vietnam conflict, Local Boards called men classified 1-A, 18 1/2 through 25 years old, oldest first. This resulted in uncertainty for the potential draftees during the entire time they were within the draft-eligible age group. A draft held today would use a lottery system under which a man would spend only one year in first priority for the draft - either the calendar year he turned 20 or the year his deferment ended. Each year after that, he would be placed in a succeedingly lower priority group and his liability for the draft would lessen accordingly. In this way, he would be spared the uncertainty of waiting until his 26th birthday to be certain he would not be drafted.

What happens during a draft?
An initiation of a draft would require action by both Congress and the President. Congress would have to pass legislation initiating a draft, and the legislation would have to be passed into law by signature of the President.

The selective service would be activated, and they would initiate a draft lottery. The lottery would establish the priority of call based on the birth dates of registrants. Under current law, only males would be considered for a draft (to include females would require completely separate legislation). The first men drafted would be those turning age 20 during the calendar year of the lottery. For example, if a draft were held this year, those men born in 1981 would be considered first. If a young man turns 21 in the year of the draft, he would be in the second priority, in turning 22 he would be in the third priority, and so forth until the year in which he turns 26 at which time

he is over the age of liability.

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NO, if so...
I know I will be called a traitor and a douchebag and a pile of other insults, but I will NOT support that shit. YES, I WILL go to Canada. I refuse to support something by force that I do not believe in anyways.

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People like you were a disgrace in Vietnam and you're still a disgrace now. Do us the favor and move to Canada anyway.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 06:52 AM   #10
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A draft isn't necessary. However, I like the way other countries make enlistments mandatory - all males serve 3 years, etc.


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But i think now that i am 23.5 years old, buy the time they would get the draft going i think i might be out of the age group anyway.
They opened up the max enlistment age to 42 a while back. Don't count on it.

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I know I will be called a traitor and a douchebag and a pile of other insults, but I will NOT support that shit. YES, I WILL go to Canada. I refuse to support something by force that I do not believe in anyways.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 08:56 AM   #11
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I'de go.

he won't do it. political suicide

How is it Political suicide for Bush?

That would imply that he has a political future. After being a 2 term president with extremely low approval ratings and loss of support from his own party, what opportunities would he exactly be missing out on?



I don't see CONGRESS approving it, as for them, yeah, it'd be an unwise career move.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 09:38 AM   #12
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NO, if so...
I know I will be called a traitor and a douchebag and a pile of other insults, but I will NOT support that shit. YES, I WILL go to Canada. I refuse to support something by force that I do not believe in anyways.

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Old January 24th, 2007, 09:51 AM   #13
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How is it Political suicide for Bush?

That would imply that he has a political future. After being a 2 term president with extremely low approval ratings and loss of support from his own party, what opportunities would he exactly be missing out on?



I don't see CONGRESS approving it, as for them, yeah, it'd be an unwise career move.

It would be political suicide for the republican party. That's who would be blamed.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 10:38 AM   #14
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No.

The military is no longer structured to deal with conscripts / draftees.

In fact, those who don't fit in / can't hack it are more often than not discharged because there's no resources to deal with them. Many of the roles reserved for those folks have been outsources / eliminated.

And young Toivo's attitude unfortunately reflects a side effect of an all-volunteer military and the growth of the "me, me, it's all about MEEEEE" culture. Because it's not about him ("I refuse to support something by force that I do not believe in anyways") he can't relate. They don't realize that serving your country isn't about whether they individually agree with something or not, that it's a bigger principle. If given a choice, I suspect that more tham a few of the men who did their duty at Anzio, Normandy, or Inchon would rather have been elsewhere. And I bet not all of them voted for FDR or Truman.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 10:59 AM   #15
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NO, if so...
I know I will be called a traitor and a douchebag and a pile of other insults, but I will NOT support that shit. YES, I WILL go to Canada. I refuse to support something by force that I do not believe in anyways.

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I agree too, if we were threatened here, or had a better cause I would be right there in line, but for this I don't feel right in going.
Right now, today, people are plotting to kill you or force you to become a believer by converting you to islam.

Taking your life or your freedom, what better reason do you need to fight?

If your not willing to fight for your life or your freedom you aren't an American.
Forget Canada, you should move to France, you'll fit right in there.
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Don't get me wrong, there are others plotting against us, yes they should be dealt with, but I wouldn't feel right working an iraqi checkpoint, or patroling thier streets.
If there was a draft to hunt terorists, or fight an attacking body, terrorist group, country or otherwise, I would be there.
But to reform another country, and work as military patrol, to help hold peace in a reforming country, I say that should be for the men and women who enlisted, because they are looking for any fight they can find, or because they are pursuing a military career.
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Right now, today, people are plotting to kill you or force you to become a believer by converting you to islam.

Taking your life or your freedom, what better reason do you need to fight?

If your not willing to fight for your life or your freedom you aren't an American.
Forget Canada, you should move to France, you'll fit right in there.
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open your eyes. Your ignorance hurts me.

As far as those of you who said you wouldn't go if drafter you are a disgrace. With freedom comes responsibility, the same phrase your parents told you at 10 years old applies here. Nothing in this world comes free and if you aren't willing to risk alittle to protect this country and it's interests that you would be a traitor and I would kick your ass.

The iraq war was a direct result of terrorism. It has started and it must be finished with a stabilized and orderly region or it has failed. you are fighting to stabilize a region, and that includes suppressing hostile terrorists who will ome to the United states AGAIN when they aren't pre-occupied in thier own back yard.
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If there was a draft to hunt terorists, or fight an attacking body, terrorist group, country or otherwise, I would be there.

These are the very things going on today in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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i hope he dont.. who ever gets drafted that dont want to be there arent going to be worth a a shit and probily cause problems
Ever seen the movie Tigerland??

I'd go. It's pretty much the logical thing to do since I am a US Citizen . . . and well, pay taxes. ( ,on the taxes part)
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