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Old January 19th, 2007, 08:21 AM   #1
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State pays Abraham's housing, college tabs

PONTIAC -- Yesterday, Nathaniel Abraham was a convicted murderer. Today he greets the morning a free man celebrating his 21st birthday -- with a furnished Bay City apartment paid for by Michigan taxpayers.

Abraham, who was 11 when he shot and killed 18-year-old Ronnie Greene in Pontiac, plans to re-enroll in classes at Delta College, where the state also will foot the tuition bill for the next four years.

Oakland County prosecutors are furious that Abraham -- a felon released Thursday -- is being given free services through a Foster Care Demonstration Project. The pilot program is designed to help Wayne County foster care children who are phased out of the system at age 18 but still need the support of the state.

Chief Deputy Prosecutor Deborah Carley said the state Department of Human Services ordered Abraham be given a spot in the state-funded pilot program that normally would go to a teen who has been neglected, abused or abandoned by his or her parents, despite the fact that Abraham is no longer a ward of the state and not eligible for such services.

The state ordered the Wayne County program support for Abraham, even though he was from Pontiac and was convicted in Oakland County.

"My point to (the state) was if Wayne County doesn't need that spot, transfer it to Oakland," Carley said. "We have plenty of kids aging out of the system who have nowhere to live and they sure didn't kill somebody.

Under the program, Abraham will be eligible for two years of free rent, full college tuition paid by Michigan Rehabilitation Services through age 25 and food stamps, which he has applied for. He must live in Michigan and attend college in the state to remain eligible in the program.

Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for Human Services, said the state so far has only provided Abraham with a security deposit and first month's rent as part of an emergency services program.

Carley said based on meetings she had last week with Abraham's attorneys and state workers on his case, there is no question that Abraham has been given a two-year commitment by the state for services, plus the four years of free tuition.

Abraham, who arrived at Oakland Circuit Court on Thursday wearing a black fur coat, ivory fedora hat and ivory and hot-pink pinstriped suit with matching pink tie and shoes, left through a back door of the courthouse. Daniel Bagdade, Abraham's attorney, said his client paid for the clothes through money he had saved from jobs while in rehabilitation.

Hardest part lies ahead

Bagdade said he is happy that Abraham will receive further assistance. Abraham, whose mother still lives in Pontiac, will begin a full-time job today as a maintenance worker at a manufacturing facility in Bay City.

"The hardest part for Nate is ahead of him," Bagdade said. "It's going to be extremely difficult for Nate to be released and live independently. People think the easy part is him being released. But really the hard part is just beginning -- what he has to do now."

On Thursday, an Oakland County judge released Abraham from juvenile detention. Abraham's case captured national attention in 1997 when, at age 11, he shot and killed Greene with a stolen 22-caliber rifle. Abraham was charged with first-degree murder under a get-tough Michigan law that allows prosecutors to charge juveniles of any age with serious felonies.

The law gave judges the option to sentence juveniles to adult prison time or keep them in juvenile detention until age 21.

After a jury convicted Abraham of second-degree murder, Judge Eugene Arthur Moore rejected any adult punishment and sentenced the young killer to eight years of juvenile detention with a mandated release at age 21.

During those years, Abraham earned his GED and began college classes but continued to struggle with anger management and bucking authority figures.

He got into a few fights at Maxey Boys Training Center and he stole cleaning supplies for his girlfriend at a halfway house, according to Moore, but none of the incidents resulted in further charges.

On Thursday, Moore encouraged Abraham to give thanks to those who have invested years in his rehabilitation and to the Greene family by succeeding in life.

"Nathaniel, you can succeed. You have the guts, the training, the ability, and you can make it," Moore told him Thursday. " But only you can decide what direction you will go."

'Make the best of it'

Abraham, an aspiring rapper, thanked the judge for having faith in him despite nay-sayers who said he would never succeed in life.

"I owe a debt to everybody involved in this case," Abraham told Moore in court. "I'd like to thank you for taking that chance and believing in me. You saw something in me before a lot of people did.

"I'm going to make the best of it."

Nichole Edwards, Ronnie Greene's sister, said whatever progress Abraham has made won't bring her brother back.

"All we have is a cemetery plot to go to," she said.

She does not feel Abraham is remorseful or has truly been rehabilitated.

"One of my biggest fears is that he will get out and cause someone else grief," she said.

Michelle Peoples-Dudley, Abraham's older sister, talked to her brother last week and asked him what he planned to do on his birthday.

"He told me 'I'm not going to do anything. I'm free. I'm just going to relax. I don't have to worry about anyone saying 'It's time to wake up' on my birthday. I get to do what I want and I'm just going to relax.' "
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Old January 19th, 2007, 08:24 AM   #2
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I heard that on Drew & Mike on my way in this morning. Also heard they are paying his room & board, plus it was $900K to house & rehab him for 10 years.

It's sickening.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 08:31 AM   #3
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I AM GLAD I AM AT WORK SUPPORTING A POS LIKE THAT
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Old January 19th, 2007, 08:33 AM   #4
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That boggles my mind.

$50 says he's dead or back in prison within a year.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 09:26 AM   #5
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you know, that money that they are paying him to go to school could help me at school. Guess I have to go kill someone so they will pay for my school so I don't have to take any more student loans.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 09:31 AM   #6
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give him a break, he's an aspiring rapper... I'm sure he'll make the most of it
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Old January 19th, 2007, 09:59 AM   #7
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That is great,he can't afford the rent and school,but he can afford the sweet lookin rags he has on.Nice pink outfit and fur coat!!

And Granholm is trying to figure out how to make the state more money ummmmmmmmmm..........90k on this loser !!!
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Old January 19th, 2007, 10:26 AM   #8
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It's great to know that he is still struggling with anger problems and authority figures too...

Not only are they releasing a convicted murder and paying for his life like he won the lottery... he's still dangerous.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 03:53 PM   #9
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Old January 19th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #10
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This has got me so f____ing pissed I can't see straight.

This thug commits a murder, shows no remorse, is tried and convicted as an adult, receives a light juvenile setence, and now we're making him into a freaking role model?

Kill a guy - go to college! Kill a guy - get an apartment in (presumably) a better neighborhood.

Damn, he's getting a better deal than people who served in Afghanistan / Iraq / Balkans. Hey, now THAT feels good as a citizen and taxpayer.

After years (and over $900K) of rehabilitation he still has to "struggle with anger management and bucking authority figures". Wow - anger issues and a disdain for authority in a 21 year-old who's getting a free ride and has been made into a celebrity. There's a formula that means nothing good for the community.

And he's an aspiring rapper. Awesome. He already has the backstory - I mean how many other rappers can freely and openly brag about being a convicted murderer?

And why does Wayne county get stuck paying for this oxygen theif?

The only thing that will help me sleep at night is knowing that this little puke is going to feel untouchable enough that he'll soon piss off the wrong people and end up a footnote. The sooner the better.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 06:08 PM   #11
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The family of the guy he shot needs to get a lawyer and file a civil suit against this mutt.

Hell, OJ lost and he wasn't even convicted.

Make sure that this mongrel never gets ahead, ever. Especially, if his "rap career" takes off, since he's got the pedigree to suceed and there's not a lot of talent required.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 06:12 PM   #12
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Blackjackbender look out...I need free college :tonka:
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Old January 20th, 2007, 02:23 AM   #13
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Hmm kill someone and get my college paid for ??

Hmmm.....................
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Old January 20th, 2007, 02:00 PM   #14
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LOL, now the Free Press is saying the story isn't true..

I hate the media

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Old January 20th, 2007, 02:26 PM   #15
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I usually don't respond to posts in here because politics is not an area I am smart about or have the interest in to invest a lot of energy.

However, since I worked with juveniles in a private non profit setting for several years and relatively familiar with the types of services Nathaniel would have received, I feel compelled to say something.

What I don't get is, if the state had him under supervision for 10 years, WHY IN THE HELL didn't he earn a diploma vs. a GED? I mean, come on, they had him since he was 11--you mean to tell me that a state facility that is required to provide an education for youth can't educate him well enough to earn a diploma? I mean, come on, they had him from age 11---you think he would have been in their residential system long enough to earn enough credits to graduate.

As for college---he entered the system long ago that he would have still been eligible for the TIP program--a tuition incentive program that provided tuition and book/supply reimbursement for low-income youth attending two year state colleges (AKA Delta). So not only am I wondering how he never got a diploma, but why doesn't he have an associates degree or at least some sort of trade certificate since he's now 21 and been at a half way house for at least three years? As for state subsidized housing, he was eligible for Youth in Transition services and funding to help with this, and this all should have been done prior to his release from juvenile supervision.

Sorry for the rant, but for a state that claims education is a priority, I think they did a pretty crappy job of rehabilitating him....
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Great! Now I can just be worked up that MI doesn't have capital punishment.

Now we just have to look forward to his next episode, where he'll experience some problem with an authority figure, or someone looks wrong to him and some family other family has a tragedy to deal with...
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Well, it appears that it indeed IS true, and after the backlash, a coverup was attempted.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...ETRO/701230350
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 08:22 PM   #18
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Honestly, this story should have people enraged. It's great that he's been "rehabilitated" by the system (as we all know time will tell). But the fact that he's getting free tuition and room/board is total crap. There are plenty of people who are A) more qualified for the financial aide (meaning GPA, Community service, and financial need as well), and B) DIDN'T KILL SOMEONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just dont get it. Honestly, just another poor decision made by "our" government. Glad my tax money (although small it's the principal) will go to put this POS through school instead of myself or the other thousands that deserve the help.....
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Old January 24th, 2007, 01:16 AM   #19
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I cant stand this. We need a white version of al sharpton to travel around and stop this shit.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 02:56 PM   #20
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Sorry for the rant, but for a state that claims education is a priority, I think they did a pretty crappy job of rehabilitating him....
I'm not trying to trash you or your question / comment.

It is possible they did their job. I am sure their are others in the system that get a diploma, do good in college, get rehabilatated(sp?), etc.

Maybe Nate is just a F**King moron and didnt put forward the effort to learn and better himself. Just a thought.
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