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Old December 5th, 2006, 09:04 AM   #1
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Question Newb Axle help needed.....long read.

Don't know if this should be here, or in Jeep Tech, if need be, Mods, please feel free to move it. So here goes.....

Ok, here is the situation. I am a self proclaimed Newb with the whole jeep thing, and wheeling in a whole. I know what my ultimate goal is, and ideas of how to accomplish those goals, but Iím looking for two things here, advice on what I should be looking for because I donít know enough about the details to know what I should get, and I donít want to waste money by buying the wrong things (Which I think I already might have). Second, Iím looking for someone who would be interested in helping me by doing the fabrication, as I have no tools, place to work, or any experience with fabrication to do this work, but I would like to learn, so I would be more than willing to be there to help. Here is what I have, and what I think Iím looking for.

I have a 2000 TJ
4.5Ē Rubicon Express Long arm Lift with rear tri-link
1.5Ē Body lift on from previous owner
4.0 I-6 with D30 front D35 rear with 4.10 gears and 32Ē tires
Currie HD steering

I also have a 99 explorer 8.8 with open diff 4.10ís and disc brakes, and 5 37Ē tires (Bought them from a guy at work for a deal that I couldnít pass up.)

So here is the issue, I want to put the 37Ēs on. I know the axles I have wonít hold up.I'm also planning on possible getting a new stearing box (I think I have heard that the durango box fits and is stronger, along with bracing the stearing box. I bought the ford 8.8 before I had the 37ís, when I originally planned on only running 35Ē. I had thought about buying a super 8.8 and then a super 30 and regearing the axles, and putting lockers in, but I know that that isnít the right path (at least I donít think so). So now Iím thinking about buying different axles (D-60ís) But I donít really know what is best for me at this point. I know I want to get some stout axles for both front and rear. I just donít know what ones I should be looking for, or what would be the easiest to fit under the Jeep. Should I look for ford axles, dodge, chevy. Then when it comes to the front end, Iím even more clueless on what I should be looking for.

So I guess basically, Iím looking to buy a couple of axles that can withstand the 37ís, and then looking for someone who can build them for me with my limited help over this winter into early spring. (getting the right brackets on the axle, re-gearing, and adding a locker of some sort, either ARB, or an electric selectable locker) and then to help me get them under the jeep in Spring so I can get the jeep going. This jeep will be my daily driver for the next year, but is not a big deal because I live Ĺ mile from work. After this year, I will have another vehicle come spring of 08, and the jeep will only be used for weekend/ off-road/ winter fun driving. The only other requirement that I have is that the parking brake still works.

So anyone who could help me with good information, anyone who has an axle, or set of axles that would be good for me to use, and most importantly, anyone who would like to do some work for me, please let me know. Iím looking to get the axles and start getting them built right after the 1st of the year. Just to make it clear, Iím not looking for free help, I am more than willing to pay someone, I would just rather find a person rather than a shop, so that I can maybe be part of the build, and start to learn more about my jeep and working on it.

Thanks in advance, and please feel free to post information here, PM, or email me at Solless@gmail.com

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Old December 5th, 2006, 09:25 AM   #2
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the ford explorer 8.8 will hold up to your 37's just fine, but the front axle should be replaced.

depending on your wheeling style, and wheeling area a wagoneer dana 44 would be a good choice for 37's. they are a readily available axle, and are wider than stock, but narrower than full width. i believe the wagoneer 44 is 62" WMS to WMS, so i think that is a good width.

5.13 gears will probably be the best choice for gears.

if the front dana 44 won't hold up to the abuse you put it through, you could always get alloy shafts, and run regular joints, or yukon/ox/ctm joints if those don't hold.

there are literally hundreds of options for you to consider when building you your jeep.

Rubicon Express makes an axle bracket kit for TJ's you can get for axle swaps, and i believe you can get them for the front or rear.

Hope this helps, and good luck
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Old December 5th, 2006, 09:27 AM   #3
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the 8.8 should hold up; you will obviously need to get some different brackets for it though, they are a lot stronger than the d-35 at least and if it has disk brakes it's even better for ya. if you can't frind a different front, just get some warn shafts with the larger u-joint, makes the 30 a lot stronger. my factory steering box works great w/ 35's. i can turn the wheel w/ one finger, so 37's won't take too much more effort. get a brace for the box though, the frame loves to rust/break where the box mounts. you'll probably want 4:88's for your gears if you aren't going to dd it after the build is complete. good luck finding someone close to help out, i'd help if you were closer.
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See, that's where I'm running into confusion. Do you really think that spending the money to do a superior axle kit in the 8.8 and the D30 versus spending the money to buy more stout axles? The super 88 costs about $500 and it's about the same for the D30. I would have to think that I could find some used axles that I could get fabbed for roughly the same price or less, especially since I would need to get the rear 8.8 fabbed up anyway. That's where I started to think I would be better off getting better axles, versus trying to just improve on what I have, hence why I am posting.
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Old December 5th, 2006, 01:05 PM   #5
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Super 8.8 and build a narrowed hp44. I went with the dana 60s only becuase 37s are not the max for me. Building any axle for a tj is gonna cost money. 8.8 is a strong axle and the right width which saves alot of money narrowing. Plus it has disc brakes which saves more money. A hp44 is a nice match for the 8.8. Grandman just built one in the post your rig section http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=28607 . I would help you out but I am pretty far from ya.

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Super 8.8 and build a narrowed hp44.

Yes - HP Ford D44 (circa 1978). Narrow it to standard 1980+ Wagoneer shaft lengths.
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Yes - HP Ford D44 (circa 1978). Narrow it to standard 1980+ Wagoneer shaft lengths.
or narrower yet and get alloys to not worry about it.
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Heres my thoughts on this . Dana 60 is huge , build that and you need another 2 " of tire of more to clear the same obsticle .

HP 44 as pavment pounder mentioned was best for me for the front . I shortened mine to old bronco specs , barely narrower then the Grand but i ran into some issues with the center section being to close to center . It works but id rather went old wagoneer width as suggested else where in this post . shaft cost more but thats the way it is .

There is no point in building this on stock shafts the D 44 uses the same u joint you have now . Want it strong enough go to 4340 shafts and a super joint CTM or Yukon super joint , OX somthing that will hold . You will all ways have a weak link , may as well design it into the build . I went with stock lock outs . Should be my weak link and easy fix on the trail . Make no mistake this is a huge undertaking even with fabrication skills . Cost ran about 2 grand with shafts , gears Yukon super joints and 1 ton chevy steraing no labor , did all my own work .

Putting a 8.8 in the rear is a easy project . The Ford explore is a bit narrower then my Jeep . That was over come with a simple spacers . I run a stock 8.8 stock shafts and so on . I have no issues with it and im running a V8 and 36 " TSL swampers with a locker .

While the 8.8 has been in this jeep for quite some time the HP 44 is just being finished up , cant say for sure that it will be bullet proof .

IN the next few days i will post up photos of the 44 in the Grand .
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or narrower yet and get alloys to not worry about it.
Except that you don't really need/want to get under 60" in a TJ, or you'll risk running into the suspension.
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Except that you don't really need/want to get under 60" in a TJ, or you'll risk running into the suspension.
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Yes - HP Ford D44 (circa 1978). Narrow it to standard 1980+ Wagoneer shaft lengths.
Will the HP D44 from a 78 bronco work? Just wanted to check because these seem to be more in supply than a f25o.

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Will the HP D44 from a 78 bronco work? Just wanted to check because these seem to be more in supply than a f25o.

Thanks!
I would pass on that because the radius arms are cast onto the tube and can't be cut off unless you retube the axle. 73-77 work better and 76-77 are the best besides the 78-79 f250 axle.

Grandman:

There was a thread on another board talking about building a 44 and many posted that they take out ctms/supers before the hubs let go. You might want to look into hub fuses.
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I would pass on that because the radius arms are cast onto the tube and can't be cut off unless you retube the axle. 73-77 work better and 76-77 are the best besides the 78-79 f250 axle.

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There was a thread on another board talking about building a 44 and many posted that they take out ctms/supers before the hubs let go. You might want to look into hub fuses.
would you have alink to that ?? Looking at there raitings the MM lock out should be the weak link , dont mean its true though . Off the wall id guess they were runing warn super hubs ! No matter how much home work you do the real world suplies the real answers .
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It was premos, but it was 2 stubs and one ctm.

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...d.php?t=780292

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Honestly, if you are running the tire/gear to break an alloy stub shaft and CTM joint, you should either:

a) not be wheeling ever
b) not use the skinny pedal so much
c) upgrade to a front 60 becaues you have way too much power, tire, gear, and skinny pedal useage to use a front 44.
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Will the HP D44 from a 78 bronco work? Just wanted to check because these seem to be more in supply than a f25o.

Thanks!

Will they work? Yes. Do you want one? Not really - for the reasons that 99GrandTJ already mentioned. Its not so much that the radius arms are cast (they are), its that the entire end of the axle is cast onto the tube instead of there being a solid tube all the way from the diff to the knuckle yoke. Pics:



The links here on Mr. N\\\\\\\\\\'s site wil pretty much tell you everything you need to know about HP D44 selection. Many pictures of all the different varieties, knuckle differences, and even cross-sections.
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Ok, i'll keep looking. Thanks for all the help thus far. I think I'll just keep and build the 8.8 and try to find a HP D44 for the front.

Anyone want to do some work for me!!
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Most of there conversation was on D 30 fronts with the conversion . Looks like mixed opinions on the hubs . Whats new eh
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Does this seem like it would be correct?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rock-...60848385QQrdZ1

What does everyone think about the price? Should this work, or is it not really what he says?

If so, I think I might jump on this one, and get it shipped here.
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