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Old November 30th, 2006, 06:07 PM   #1
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OK enlighten us with your brilliance. I even started a new thread so you don't have to worry about pulling the other one off topic.
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Old November 30th, 2006, 06:09 PM   #2
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ohh man! pulls up chair, this is gonna be a good one!
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No Brewman you have it wrong

Its How Chitty GM/Ford is and how Perfect Toyota is.

There is no "How to save GM/Ford" documentation to Plagiarize
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There is no "How to save GM/Ford" documentation to Plagiarize
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Simple restructuring. GM has got the production system right with the Saturn plant but could never really compete due to the lack of styling that the Saturn brand offered. Saturns new styling will now bring great looks to the overall awesome quality. Next, the lean production manufacturing that has been prefected at the SpringHill, TN saturn plan needs to be GMs shining star
of the right way to produce cars and by implementing this practice in the rest of GMs production facilities which will improve the output tremendously. GM also has recently opened a brand new plant in Lansing (cost over a billion) that is modeled after the Saturn plant and we will see if they can get the same productivity out of it as the plant in TN.

GM has learned these skills from its NUMMI plant in CA where the Vibe, Toyota Matrix is built. This plan is mostly managed by Toyota so they are learning from the best. As an example of the Superior Management ability that Toyota offers we can use the NUMMI plant as an example. Before the GM-Toyota Joint venture the plant was closed do to unhappy employees and horrible production. With only one year of Toyota manageing the same plant the production had increased 100% from GMs best outputs. The practices from this operation need to be put in place at all of GMs productions.

These the lean technology / just in time production skills are very successfull for Saturn. You might ask why have they not been implemnted in the rest of GMs plants? Well the answer to that is that they have been tried but the large beauacrcy of GM slows the down the process. Slashing both white-collar and blue-collar workers would be my next move and tell the unions to F themselves and worry about it in court later by letting our super large attorneys take care of that issue since You and I know they unions are killing us but we'll get to that later.

Okay, so GM is currently giving up roughly $2000 per car to Toyota because of the large pension plans which gives Toyota an amazing competive advantage. They have to step up and simply explain that they can not continue to be the GM they were when they had 50+% of the market share. With just 30% of the share there has to be changes that are always talked about but never made. GM can no longer pay someone that isn't productive and need to fire them and not worry about union reprecutions. It might be cruel but the high pay employees will have to go and be replaced with a younger generation that will appriciate making have the wage of a senior employee. You might say that even making half the wage is more then productions facilities in other countries and you are right but, Toyota has plants in the US which pays a competitive wage and they are successful so it can be done. This does not include the skill guys but the large percent of everyday replaceable blue-collar employees and yes this will hurt MI but GM going brankrupt would do much more damage to the MI economy. You know the saying that it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks well this is the same of the workers right now that have been doing the same production techniques for years and years and do not want to adapt to the lean production model. Bringing in new employees with a clean slate is a possible answer to implementing the lean production model quick and better then ever before.

GM has got to start making money per car. The only reason the are afloat right now is because of GMAC. They are an automobile company not a financing company and taking steps mentioned above to dig themselves out of the hole they are in has to be done.

Liquidity Toyot GM Ind
Current 1.07045 1.61022 1.2
Quick 0.90881 1.52152 0.09

Leverage
D/A 0.61088 0.96934 0.8
D/E 1.66201 31.61492 5.2
Times interest earned 86.95625 -6.18482 2.2

Profitability
ROA 4.78% -2.10% 3.70%
ROE 12.99% -57.80% 9.00%
Net profit margin 6.80% -4.80% 5.90%

There are a few ratios just to compare how bad GM is doing against both the leader Toyota and then the industry number as well for comparison and are the worst in every category. The Profitablity ratios are HORRIBLE!! That have got to figure out a way to get better returns out of their assets which goes hand in hand with production and the lack of production they are getting right now.


Yes, that is my just thrown together thoughts and most of you will probably not agree with them and call me a dumb college punk or ignorant as usual but you asked so I responed to your request. I'm also think this is great to draw it out of the other political topics and which gets those threads off topic. Yes some of those ideas have been tired but I don't think they were put in place with full effort and from the ratios that are listed above we see that what is happening now and over the last few years has not been working and things have got to change.

I believe that Rick Wagoneer who is the head of GM is taking these steps and will have the company on the right track by 2015 and possibly even sooner if they can fix the union and pension problems. Another good note for GM is that they have GMAC that will continue to keep them afloat where Ford does not and is haveing to put all their assets up to get a loan to keep them afloat.

What would you do??
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Another good note for GM is that they have GMAC that will continue to keep them afloat where Ford does not and is haveing to put all their assets up to get a loan to keep them afloat.
GM sold most of GMAC today. check Reuters.
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GM sold most of GMAC today. check Reuters.
I did not know that but this article from Reuters shows that Wagoner has GM on the right track

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...&from=business
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The funny thing that the article states, and that I agree with is that you cannot take a problem that has been decades in the making and turn it around overnight (which some analysts seem to expect).

What Wagoner is doing is working, and much faster than what Ford had tried and is currently struggling with. I hope these current round of buyouts at Ford help bolster the company's footing.
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The funny thing that the article states, and that I agree with is that you cannot take a problem that has been decades in the making and turn it around overnight (which some analysts seem to expect).

What Wagoner is doing is working, and much faster than what Ford had tried and is currently struggling with. I hope these current round of buyouts at Ford help bolster the company's footing.
Well both of my uncles took the buyout so that's two large saleries from unproduction people that don't have to worry about. :tonka:

They were smart with the money are are very well invested so they will enjoy an early retirement.

I feel bad for the guy that didn't take care of his money but they can only blame theirselves for that.
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"Simple Restructuring" :tonka:

Spinghill is fifth in productivity for GM assy plants at 18.24 HPV (Hours per Vehicle) on a low content vehicle in a non traditional (right to work) atmosphere.

Lansing Delta Township ,,currently producing the Saturn Outlook and GMC Arcadia,,,soon to produce the Buick Enclave was in NO way modeled after Spring Hill,,Completely new BOP/BOE (Bill of Process/Bill of Equipment)
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NUMMI is not even in the top ten for productivity. Its a TOKEN joint venture.
Toyota has little involvement in its management. No way would they share their production "Secrets" with GM

Again ,,,,,you only regurgitate the bias media view of the automotive industry,,,

Of course that is all that can be expected from a 20 yr old college student with no industry experience:stan3:

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"Simple Restructuring" :tonka:

Spinghill is fifth in productivity for GM assy plants at 18.24 HPV (Hours per Vehicle) on a low content vehicle in a non traditional (right to work) atmosphere.

Lansing Delta Township ,,currently producing the Saturn Outlook and GMC Arcadia,,,soon to produce the Buick Enclave was in NO way modeled after Spring Hill,,Completely new BOP/BOE (Bill of Process/Bill of Equipment)
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NUMMI is not even in the top ten for productivity. Its a TOKEN joint venture.
Toyota has little involvement in its management. No way would they share their production "Secrets" with GM

Again ,,,,,you only regurgitate the bias media view of the automotive industry,,,

Of course that is all that can be expected from a 20 yr old college student with no industry experience:stan3:
Well, since I get my data from the media outlets then you could very well be right.

Where did you pull all your data from?

My oppion was asked for and it was given. I never proclaimed I was part of the auto industry but managment is managment and better principles need to be put in place.

So anyhow. Thanks for letting give you an example what I would do. Why don't you give your example of what you would do.

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Well, since I get my data from the media outlets then you could very well be right.

Where did you pull all your data from?
15 yrs of CMU training

The last 3 yrs processing,designing,building,installing, and accelerating GM's future

And as far as "What I would do?"

I am not NAIVE enough to think that I would have the answers to fix the domestic automotive industry crisis

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and you would improve GM how?
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and you would improve GM how?
Your the one with ALL the answers:chiefwoohaw:

Thats the POINT
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Your the one with ALL the answers:chiefwoohaw:

Thats the POINT
As stated previously it was my oppion and I do not know all but I gave from the knowledge I do have. If you don't have a suggestion that's fine as well. I figured you would have lots of ideas since your potential job is at stake.
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As stated previously it was my oppion and I do not know all but I gave from the knowledge I do have. If you don't have a suggestion that's fine as well. I figured you would have lots of ideas since your potential job is at stake.

Ideas to solve the domestic automotive industry crisis???

Are you F-ing kidding me?>

Above and beyond the usual:

We pay the UAW WAY too much in wages and benifits?

The off shores have an illegal advantage.

Its not MY "Potential Job at stake" I have the job

Its YOUR "Potential Job at stake"

The POINT is that you dont know CHIT about the industry,,

The POINT is that no ONE person,,,,such as you,,,a CMU student,,can solve this issue.

The POINT is you should STFU until you get some experience and can comment intellegently

Do you get the POINT?
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NUMMI is run by rotating teams from GM and Toyota, as they were from back in the day of the "Nova". Ironically, NUMMI is located in the old Fremont CA Camaro / Firebird plant, which had such shitty quality that GM shut it down.

What GM needs to do is:

1) Stop "badge engineering" and come out with real PRODUCTS. The talk about a RWD Impala is a move in the right direction.

2) Stop pandering to the dealers and lean out the product line - which will mean fewer dealerships that carry a broader line of products. For instance, I could see Cadillac dealerships, maybe Saturn dealerships, and then GM dealerships, that sell only the best product in each segment. No duplication and marketing against themselves:

Subcompact: Chevy Cobalt
Specialty Wagon-thing: HHR
Compact (Value): Chevy Malibu and Maxx
Compact (Premium): Pontiac G6
Sporty Roadster: Pontiac Solstice
Minivan: pick one, probably the Chevy (if they stay in the market)
Luxury Minivan-thing: Buick Rendezvous
Full-size Sedan (Value): Chevy Impala
Full-Size Sedan (Premium): Buick Lucerne
Trucks: Chevys
SUVs: GMCs
Specialty SUVs: Hummers
Sportscar: Vette

Dump the rest of the products.

That would address the product problem - that just leaves the crippling cost of retirees and healthcare...
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Ideas to solve the domestic automotive industry crisis???

Are you F-ing kidding me?
NO, it was a legit question.

Above and beyond the usual:

We pay the UAW WAY too much in wages and benifits?
Any ideas on how to accomplish this?

The off shores have an illegal advantage.
Toyota's domestic plants seem to be doing okay considering they just put 1.8 billion plant in texas to build the Tacoma. Why can't GM have successful domestic plants?

Its not MY "Potential Job at stake" I have the job
If GM goes under then I would imagine you would no longer have a job with them so please explain how your job is not at stake? Also more cuts are coming but are you exempt from them?

Its YOUR "Potential Job at stake"
How did you come to that conclusion?


The POINT is that you dont know CHIT about the industry,,
No, I don't know that much but I can analysis ratios and put good managment decisions in place

The POINT is that no ONE person,,,,such as you,,,a CMU student,,can solve this issue.
Yes, your right but a collective few with a good idea can achieve a lot just like Mr. Wagoner and his group is doing.

The POINT is you should STFU until you get some experience and can comment intellegently
No, actually I can have an oppion that dissagrees with yours. That's the whole point of debating. You should hook up with Grumpy1 since your both kinda new and I think you'd get along great.

Do you get the POINT?
Yes, I understand you don't agree with me.
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NUMMI is run by rotating teams from GM and Toyota, as they were from back in the day of the "Nova". Ironically, NUMMI is located in the old Fremont CA Camaro / Firebird plant, which had such shitty quality that GM shut it down.

What GM needs to do is:

1) Stop "badge engineering" and come out with real PRODUCTS. The talk about a RWD Impala is a move in the right direction.

2) Stop pandering to the dealers and lean out the product line - which will mean fewer dealerships that carry a broader line of products. For instance, I could see Cadillac dealerships, maybe Saturn dealerships, and then GM dealerships, that sell only the best product in each segment. No duplication and marketing against themselves:

Subcompact: Chevy Cobalt
Specialty Wagon-thing: HHR
Compact (Value): Chevy Malibu and Maxx
Compact (Premium): Pontiac G6
Sporty Roadster: Pontiac Solstice
Minivan: pick one, probably the Chevy (if they stay in the market)
Luxury Minivan-thing: Buick Rendezvous
Full-size Sedan (Value): Chevy Impala
Full-Size Sedan (Premium): Buick Lucerne
Trucks: Chevys
SUVs: GMCs
Specialty SUVs: Hummers
Sportscar: Vette

Dump the rest of the products.

That would address the product problem - that just leaves the crippling cost of retirees and healthcare...

Thanks for the great suggestions. I agree with all of them and know they would probably work due to your "real world" experience.
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